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I hate your kids

Last night, on Clearly, You’re Retarded, we had an interesting show focused around children. The main focus of the discussion was where should kids be allowed to go and where should they be prohibited?

My personal opinion is best described as follows:

1. Most kids are annoying and/or obnoxious
2. Kids should learn how to behave and proper manners from their parents and relatives
3. In order to avoid annoying the rest of us, kids should have limited exposure to the outside world until they’ve learned those proper manners and reached age 10 or 11.

If I could make the rules, here’s what I would say:

Movies:

Kids can go to G movies and some PG movies, but if the movie starts after 8 PM, no kids are allowed. I don’t care if it’s a G-rated movie, if I want to go see the newest Pixar film, I don’t want a bunch of kids ruining the film for me.

Restaurants:

Kids should be restricted to fast food restaurants and family-style restaurants (e.g., ones where the servers have flair). Stick to Chuck E. Cheese and McDonald’s, and leave the real restaurants to the adults. Maybe once in a while, as a reward for a birthday or something, a child can go out to a nice restaurant, but only if he or she is well-behaved, and only if it’s one kid at a time.

Public places:

Parks and beaches are fun places for kids to be, so I’m okay with them being there, because you expect it to be loud and noisy there.

Airplanes:

Kids shouldn’t be allowed to fly until they’re 9 or 10 at a very minimum. If you want to take your kids somewhere, drive. Then they can just annoy you in the car, not me.

Museums:

Kids are only allowed if they’re on a field trip. Otherwise, leave it to the adults.

Musicals, opera, symphonies:

No kids allowed. Fucking period.

What are your thoughts?


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113 Replies to “I hate your kids”

  1. Crys

    oh my god. i agree with everything you have said here, especially the plane part. no matter where i travel, there is always a screaming infant shrieking NO! NO! NO! right at the back of my chair.

    xanax + red wine is my friend

  2. Jozet at Halushki

    As someone who works retail and has extensive contact with people of all sizes and ages in the public and me in a position of glorified lackey being shat on equally by all, I’d say that by far adults are far more obnoxious and should have more restrictions placed on them in public.

    To whit, I’d rather clean up a toddlers pee accident every hour on the hour than have to clean up after some drunk dood who thought the automotive section was a urinal. Or peel apart the pages of a magazine that some desperate wanker wanked into and then shoved between the rows of Disney princess books and who is now sitting in the corner watching to see what unsuspecting little girl would pick it up.

    I’d rather listen to kids screaming about whatever it is kids scream about, than listen to one more self-important jerk-off hold high court a la Blue Tooth up and down every aisle of the store or in museums or next to me on the bus.

    Most perfume and cologne smells worse than a diaper filled with spinach poop.

    I’d rather have a 4 year old kick the back of my seat on a 10 hour flight than some guy drool on me or “accidentally” grab my inner thigh or think that I might think that what he had to say about whatever is more interesting than the John Irving book I’m trying to read.

    In general, kids have a good excuse for being jerks; adults do not, and they are bigger and louder at it.

    However, I’m an equal opportunity hater, and most people tick me off, so there is that.

    • Mitzi

      @Jozet at Halushki, I completely agree, kids are too young to know better and/or their shitty parents don’t teach them better so it’s easier to excuse their behavior than the adults who do/should know better and still act like shits.

  3. amanda

    I agree with all of them, especially the movie part. Even if it’s G or PG, your 3 year old doesn’t need to see it in the theater. Guess what? They won’t sit still. Or be quiet. It’s not cute when they yell “WALL-E!!!!” at the screen, it’s just annoying. It’ll be out on DVD in a few months. You can wait until then.

  4. Jay

    I would think that a minimum decent restaurants shouldn’t allow kids after, say 8 pm. And if a place is more of a bar than a restaurant they should allow kids either.

    And please don’t bring your kids to the casino! Good grief!

  5. Little Miss Sunshine State

    We started taking our kids to restaurants and on planes when they were really still babies. If you start teaching them what behavior is expected from the very beginning, then you don’t have kids that are monsters in every public place they go.

    We had very rare occasions when one of them misbehaved and had to be taken to the parking lot for a time-out.

    I have a HUGE problem with people who don’t teach their kids how to behave in public, but insist on taking them to public places anyway.
    Parents who let their kids run wild in stores should be permanently banned from those stores.

    Can you tell I work in retail?

  6. Danalyn

    I hate kids when they get in my way, or shatter my ear drum…but that doesn’t mean that well-behaved kids shouldn’t be allowed to go places with their parents. If a kid is well-behaved, it’s because of the parent. If the parent is doing their job, a kid will be well behaved (in my case, it was for fear of getting another flailing with the garden hose…but hey, it worked).

    Personally, I think if the parent can’t control their kids and the kid disrupts the place, the parent should be banned from the place (wherever it may be).

  7. Jozet at Halushki

    I think the problem is three-fold: 1) some indulgent parents, 2) parents who don’t understand basic developmental stages and reasonable expectations, and who set their kids up to fail in public situations by not being realistic about children’s normal developmental abilities and limitations, but also 3) kids are so segregated into kiddie lands almost everywhere in public these days that they don’t understand their place – and I mean that in a good way – or even that they have a place, a role, in society that includes people of all ages. When you’re constantly being shooshed away like an unruly pet, you being to play the role you’re given more and more. Some expectations can be risen to.

    Some behavior is learned only when the child is developmentally ready, but without practice, even a 10 year old is not going to suddenly understand immediately what the parameters and expectations for behavior are. Kids are human. They need practice being human within a society. Sometimes they are going to screw up and do so with volume. Welcome to planet earth where no one asks to be born.

  8. Kay

    I have kids and I completely agree!! Most of those would REALLY pertain to our youngest member of the family, who is only 16 months but showing real signs he will be “one of those kids” but my 3 yr old can hang with adults and you seriously would never be bothered. He is awesome!

  9. Colleen (ladyeunicorn)

    As Hubby was a chef in various “nice” restaurants and resorts, and I worked in catering in the same resorts, we started training Munchkin at a VERY early age. There was one incident, at 3 years old, of climbing under the table at a restaurant which brought about a trip to the parking lot, and ever since (he’s now 11) all you have to do is ask if we need to take a trip to the parking lot to put him right back in line.

    So, I agree with Jozet and Danalyn. Kids shouldn’t ALWAYS be segregated. The parents have to take the responsibility to teach the children properly. To that end, even in a “kid friendly” environment, I expect children to stand in line properly at McDonald’s while their parents order food (not swing from the bars like effing monkeys), and I expect them to speak at a proper volume when having lunch at an effing Chick-fil-a, not scream at the top of their lungs. Just because it is a “kid place” doesn’t give the lazy parents a free pass to let their kids ruin everyone’s experience there.

  10. SingleParentDad

    I hate rules, we don’t need any more.

    It is generally down to if a child is well behaved, which is often looked at as a reflection of the parents’ handling of them.

    If the child has an aptitude for fitting in, they should have the same freedoms as everyone else.

    However if they are a pain in the ass, they should be in-prisoned in a sound proof booth, fed a slurry of the perfected balanced diet, until such a time that they can learn to be quiet on demand.

  11. Robin

    I fell asleep last night before I could call in to tell you that I agree with you…somewhat. I truly believe that good behavior starts with your parents…..it’s not up to society to teach our children how to behave – it’s up the parents to instill that early on. So if the parents can’t do their job and teach their kids appropriate behavior, then I agree with you with all of your points. But if a child is trained to be seen and not heard (like I and my siblings were…), then why should children be kept a box? Though casinos, operas and symphonies are also off limits – as well as movies after 8 PM – I never got that…what – the parents are too cheap to get a babysitter so you bring them to a 9:00 showing of “Zac and Miri Make a Porno?” Please.

    But yeah. I’m done ranting now…

  12. Aunt Robin

    I tend to agree with the mindset that kids are never going to learn appropriate public behavior if they’re never exposed to the situations. However, parents have to be in charge, and, ultimately, the responsibility to ensure their children’s good behavior falls squarely on them.

    Because I know that’s no easy job, I always stop by and compliment parents whose kids were good (while out to eat, for instance). I think they– the parents AND the children– appreciate hearing that their efforts haven’t gone unnoticed.

  13. Blondefabulous

    From an early age, I have taught my children(Note I said children… not “kids”) how to behave in public. Behaving in public means being seen and not heard, saying please and thank you to the waitstaff when you are in places of eating, being aware of others when watching films in a theater, etc…etc….

    These are all things that PARENTS need to teach their kids. I have noticed that most times when a kid or pack of kids act like shit, it is because the parents are shitty as well. They have never taught their kids basic manners, please and thank you, etc… and there fore people like you want to ban all children from almost everywhere, and I do not blame you one bit!

    Just do not include my children in that group of ill mannered heathens. I have done my duty as a parent. :woohoo:

  14. LeSombre

    You just described the best possible way to create annoying and obnoxious kids.

    When I first started dating LovelyWife, we would goto restaurants all the time, and would on occasion, see kids not behaving. One of the firsts “pacts” we made was that our kids would not be that way.

    We take our kids almost everywhere, and everywhere we go with the kids we get complimented by the staff on the behavior of our kids.

    We take them to movies, and they are quiet, sit in place and most importantly they pick-up their empty popcorn and drink containers when the movie’s over.

    We take them to restaurants all the time, but we avoid the fast food places. The more adult a restaurant is, the better. My kids will eat (or at least try) anything. There’s not much that pleases me more than my 7 year-old saying “can we go to the sushi place tonight”.

    We took the kids to the Dominican Republic when they were 8 and 6. They really enjoyed the plane and the flight attendants love them. This picture is not staged. πŸ˜‰ We took them to Cayo Coco the year after.

    My kids love the museums. My daughter loves Monet and my son loves the Canadian room. We used to be members of the museum here, and we’d go every other week-end.

    We had tickets for date night at Evita (the opera), but I was sick, so LovelyWife took my daughter. That was 8 months ago and ZoΓ© still talks about it. LovelyWife heard a few comments from blue-haired ladies that the opera was no place for a 9 year-old, but I disagree. I’m taking my son to see Cyrano at the theater in December. I’ll let you know how it goes!

    So to conclude this really long comment, I mostly agree with you:

    1. Most kids are annoying, but only because most parents don’t know how to be parents.
    2. Kids should learn how to behave from parents and relatives in real life situations.
    3. Limited exposure is not a bad policy, but I would lower your age criteria to 4 years, not 10-11.

    So clearly you’re retarded, but my kids are not. πŸ˜‰

  15. Jennifer

    I agree with you on the majority of points. I however will not take my kids anywhere if they are in a “mood”, or I will simply go out to the van with the little asshole until they can behave.

    I was of the generation of “children are to be seen and not heard” and while I do not live by that rule with my kids, I remove them from any situation where they are bothering people.

    As for the airplane – if a parent is smart, they will either drug their kid with gravol or bring along a bag of new toys and activities that the kid will be better behaved than most of the adults.

    My kids are generally well behaved, they have excellent manners, and I often get comments from people that it’s nice to see someone actually parenting.

  16. Mattie

    Since all my “kids” are grown and gone I can say proudly that we did take them to restaurants, movie theaters, and any number of social situations starting when they reached about age 5.

    We raised them right. They were always well-behaved. They did not speak out of turn or act like animals in a barnyard.

    We’ve taken them everywhere. With the exception of the grocery store. While they were well-behaved, I learned that I could save about $100 per shopping trip by leaving them home with a babysitter.

  17. Lin

    I agree with most of that. My son will be five next month. When we go to public places, he is well aware he is to be quiet and use good manners. It is stunning how many times my husband and I are complimented on his manners. Stunning because his manners are just what WE were expected to behave like when we were his age. We have always been of the theory that we love our son, but not everyone else does. So, if we were in restaurants and he was loud or crying, out he’d go. When he was a baby, we were VERY careful where we took him. I still haven’t taken him to a movie because I don’t trust he can sit quietly for more than 1/2 hour. I don’t think it’d be fair of me to impose his loudness (is that a word) on others.

    As for museums, etc… I disagree with you. Children should be allowed in BUT THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO BEHAVE.

  18. Sarah

    I can see your point.

    I’ve worked retail and restaurants, and the kids were, in my experience, far worse in the restaurants. HOWEVER – there were kids that weren’t half bad too.

    I can say that from what I’ve heard, I was a pretty good kid in public. I also remember the one time I acted up – in a Chuck E Cheese of all places – and my dad immediately picked me up, paid the bill, and we left. He wasn’t about to put up with that shit. And it stuck with me – I knew that if I misbehaved, there was no “stop it.” There was “We’re leaving. Now.”

    I intend to treat my kids in the same way – teach them to behave, and have consequenses if they don’t. And for most of the above that applies – the only one I’m not sure about is airplanes. I hate the bratty snotty kid behind me as much as the next person. And I feel horrible for the infant who’s mother doesn’t understand that her ears can’t adjust to the pressure changes. But, I’m in a nasty position of having to fly every now and then because my husband is in the military. I was petrified of him moving us to Hawaii and having to take a 3 month old on the plane. I didn’t want to do it, but it’ just not somewhere I could drive to. I AM however, planning on driving her when we move to North Carolina. I don’t like to fly, and I REALLY don’t want to put a bunch of people ad the baby through that if I don’t have to.

  19. SciFi Dad

    I understand where you’re coming from, but the reality is you don’t learn proper restaurant etiquette at home. Restaurants are busier, have no toys but more distractions, have people in a service position, etc. Home has none of these things, and even using acted out scenes will feel artificial and not provide the lessons the kids need.

    I could make similar arguments for movies and other places you mention.

    Look, I’m not advocating bringing my overtired and cranky kid to Chez Fifi or wherever the fuck, but I think there’s a value in exposing kids to real life experiences, places where people sit quietly and have a meal.

    • Jackie

      @SciFi Dad,

      Kids can learn proper restaurant ettiquette, at home you can teach children how you behave at restaurants before you go there, and that they will leave if they don’t behave. It seems unreasonable to suggest that restaurants do not have the same environment of Chuck E Cheese, and that the wait staff does not treat you rudely for not wanting to hear screaming, screeching, and wailing while having your dinner.

  20. NYCWD

    I haven’t listened to the podcast yet.

    I agree with #2 of your opinion, but not much else.

    Except the Opera part. No child should be brought into an Opera house, that is inhumane and should be considered as a war crime. For that matter, most adults should also not be subjected to such torture. Those who wish to be masochistic should go right ahead, but leave the rest of us out of it… and that includes showing it on PBS.

    I’ll come back after I’m done hearing Britt screech for the eleventh time at the 31:09 mark.

    Just like Turnbaby, she’s like clockwork.

  21. Jules

    I agree with most everything. Especially the movies. I HATE when people bring their kids to a late movie. Let alone an inappropriate for the age movie. When my son was young, if I didn’t have a sitter, we didn’t go out to the movie. Simple as that.

  22. Paticus

    My Special Lady and I are currently trying to mold our three year old twin girls into children that I would not mind seeing in public.
    Alas, we are not perfect, and neither are the girls, so we have occasionally been “those people”. I hate us too then.We’ll get there,though.
    We basically do not fly with them anymore(until they are a bit older, anyway), because I find a two day car trip to be far less stressful than a 2 and a half hour flight that regularly turns into a 13 hour death march, but there was one time we flew, and the girls were I guess somewhere around a year and a half old(we had to fly because we were surprising my mom for Mother’s Day, and could not get many days off)and the takeoff/landing was torture on the girls’ ears.We did our best to console/silence them ,but it was not easy. After we landed, this fucker hit my wife in the head with his carry on bag, and when he saw who it was(“those people” with the screaming kids) he rolled his eyes and kept walking.I guess she did not warrant an apology for ruining his flight. I’m not sure I’d accuse my kids of being the worst behaved people on that flight.
    Oh, and I promise I’ll never bring my kids to the opera.

  23. Sybil Law

    I agree with most of those. Too many parents let their kids run around like little idiots and ruin everyone else’s time, regardless of where they are.
    I don’t let my kid do that. Maybe because she’s an only child and has been around adults a lot, but she really is well behaved most of the time. When she isn’t – she’s gone.
    I flat out don’t get the parents who take their kids out after 9p.m. I have been to stores open 24 hours at like, 1 and 2a.m, and there are parents there with crying, obnoxious kids. WTF?!

  24. hello haha narf

    i don’t think you can say “all” for any group. when i was little my mom took me everywhere so i learned to behave (or it was outside for a swat on the butt and then home). as i got a bit older, i tried to work that system to go home when i didn’t want to be somewhere. at that point the parents changed tactics and home became more miserable than the public event (think scrubbing toilets and scooping dog poop). again, i learned to behave. quickly!

    i blame parents, not kids. i think lesombre said it better than i did, but whatever.

  25. Clown

    I agree with you. We should take get ahold of some type of child chopper to chop up all of the world’s children into little pieces. No exceptions. Yell in a movie theatre? Chop! Runny nose and may infect others? Chop! Look at me the wrong way? Chop!

    Now I will tell a long story.
    I only recently started taking Will and Tina out in the public. Like a good parent I didn’t let them leave the house until the youngest was 12. Watching a child’s eyes as they discover things for the first time is pretty neat. A few weeks ago I let Will try ice cream for the first time, and when he politely asked for more I actually considered giving him some.

    They grow up so quick.

    • Jackie

      @Clown, thanks for making those of us who just want to have a peacful evening out, look like hysterical baby haters. You’ve just made things that much more difficult for us.

      • Clown

        @Jackie, I don’t care how it makes you look. Children are our future, not whiny non-breeders who aren’t going to benefit society with the youth of tomorrow. You probably want all babies thrown onto gay island. Well, that’s not going to happen while I am still breathing!!!

  26. Finn

    We started taking Lil’ M to restaurants. When he was about six months old we took him to a fancy place with my family for Easter dinner. No one even knew there was a baby there.

    I agree with those that say you have to teach the kids how to behave in certain situations. It’s up to the parents to see that they learn.

    But I will agree that movies before a certain age are best viewed at home because little ones have no impulse control and cannot keep from talking no matter how hard they try.

  27. Em

    I have two very well-behaved children. I know, I know, every parent thinks their kids are well-behaved, but mine really are. They have shy temperaments so they don’t act up when around strangers. I, like you, have a low tolerance for obnoxious children. But, I think your rules are a little unfair. Especially regarding restaurants and airplanes.

    • Jackie

      @Em, most parents are outright delusional when it comes to their child’s behavior. Their child isn’t being loud, it’s making happy noises. Talking to most parents concerning their children’s behavior, is pointless. You’ll only get blubbering about how their angel is behaving, or hysterical looking around for help, acting like they’re about to burst into tears, or throwing a screaming fit.

      Our rules aren’t unfair, they’re reasonable. Seems most parents forget this, because they’re praised up and down from Sunday like a spoilt brat, and thusly act like a spoilt brat when out with children. They are treated by society with the overly permissive attitude, that causes children to behave badly. Time to treat parents like adults, and not like they’re fragile children.

  28. Grant

    I would want my kids to grow up to be sociable and well-adjusted, so I would take them out of the house. I would just avoid most things like you mentioned. Opera – no six yo is going to appreciate it. A museum with the right exhibits (like dinosaurs)? Sure, as long as they’re well-behaved. I’d let them know enjoying the experience depended on their ability to behave, and we’d leave if they became difficult. Same thing with restaurants – kids might like pizza shooters, but I can’t see one properly appreciating roast boar au jus, so that stays on the adult list until maybe a teen birthday. Also, I should be issued a license to kill so I can whack any kid or parent who doesn’t meet with my approval.

    Exception – cute Asian schoolgirls who misbehave will be put into my special retraining camp, by which I mean my walk-in closet that I have refurbished with heavy locks and spiked bars.

  29. hello haha narf

    grant –
    when i was about six or seven years old, my parents took us to lake erie. we all ran out of the van and straight into the water, fully clothed. when we went to eat, most of the places were closed as it was after the official lunch hours and before dinner. only one restaurant was open. in we traipsed, all six kids in the only dry clothing available: bathing suits. we were on good behavior because all we could think about was food and if we acted up it was out the door. waiter came over in his tuxedo and i quietly asked for a grilled cheese. with a snooty attitude he informed me that they didn’t serve grilled cheese. loudly i told him it was ok and that i would just have the chateaubriand. he almost fell over.

    anyhow, kids can appreciate all kinds of foods. depends on what the parents expose them to. a great friend’s little one LOVES sushi because they never told her it was gross. i blame the parents for their kids behaviors. and for a lot of their fears as well.

  30. metalmom

    I’ve been taking care of other people’s kids for 25 years. In that time I’ve taken them out to eat (start with McD’s and work your way up to more adult places) We have been to the movies (and yes I have walked out with them and taken them home for bad behavior-and billed the parents for ticket reimbursement!)We learned through SummerStage how to behave in a theatre. We rode public transportation and for some, it was training to fly in an airplane.

    This is not to say that kids are allowed everywhere. I agree with an 8pm rule, and I think it is more than fair to parents and kids AND businesses.

    The problem is the parents. I can’t stand the ‘angry whisperers’ and the ‘pleaders’and the ‘bribers’ These aren’t parents. They are kids playing house and they owe it to their kids to TEACH them when is the right time to act like a shit.If it’s the wrong time? Smack their asses or take them home.

    • Jackie

      @metalmom, you are so right! I can’t stand pleaders or bribers either. It’s like the parents are in an abusive relationship with their child. “No no don’t touch that candy bar..no please don’t get angry. Please…don’t throw a fit. I-I..you can have the candy bar, please don’t get angry.” It’s like they’re trying to reason with a child, who will go home and beat them with a baseball bat if they don’t get what they want, with their amount of drama.

      Children need to be taught how to behave. They will not learn if their mother is displaying drama everywhere she goes and causes a scene. Yes this may sound sexist, but the reality is most fathers do not put on a show like mothers. Most fathers are not treated like helpless babes, fighting against a big bad baby hating world the way mothers are.

      I have had mothers make faces at me like a 2 year old. Tell me if I don’t like it I should go home, when I try to explain that I have a sound sensitivity disorder. It hurts my ears when I hear a child crying, according to most parents, this means I should stay home and never go out again because my condition forces them to be parents.

      When I go to restaurants, the wait staff acts as if I’m from Mars, “How could a woman not love babies..I can’t belive it!” behaving like a small child mezmerized by a magic trick. I then have wait staff sit me by children, to which I have to point the children out to them. As if they haven’t graduated first grade, and learned what the words baby and children mean. To be told it’s a FAMILY restaurant, which is the type of attitude I’d expect…if I went to Chuck E Cheese and demanded not to sit near kids.

      It’s extremely stressful for me to go anywhere, as a screaming child hurts my ears, and there is no way of explaining to parents my situation. I’m either abused, treated as if I’m an idiot, or told something is wrong with me. All that it would take to resolve such situations is to buy a pacifier, something it seems parents these days are completely unaware of. Everyone I discuss this with, tells me about how hard it is for the parents. I’m talking about grown adults, not children, right?

      Your child screams, you stop what your doing and take it out. You can’t handle that then stay at home, can’t manage that hire a babysitter. No drama, no looking around like a lost child, then acting as if you’re about to burst into tears fall on the ground and kick the air. Parents are supposed to be raising their children, not behaving like their children. I’m so tired of this endless entitlement and babycoddling, I have a right to participate in society, without constantly seeing what kind of mood other people’s moms are in. Are they in a hysterical scream like a banshee out of nowhere mood, or a “Where oh where am I? Won’t someone save me?” mood. I have a hard time beliving hormones cause this type of age regressive behavior. Is that what it is? You have a baby, you become one yourself?

  31. Nat

    Totally with LeSombre on this.

    One of the most important things we need to instill in future generations is a sense of who they are, and how they fit into the bigger picture. You can’t see how to change the world, if aren’t exposed to it. Yes, we need to tell our kids to behave. But we also want to instill in them a curiosity about the world, and we can’t do that if we don’t take them outside the house once in a while. It’s about teaching, and part of the teaching is about respect of others.

  32. Avitable

    Crystal, maybe someone should start a family airline that’s only for families flying with kids.

    Kelley, as long as he’s not at the musical, that’s ok.

    Jozet, the nice thing is that as an adult, you have the privilege of being an asshole. As a kid, you don’t. I’m not saying that I like adults who act like that, but it’s a lot easier to tell an adult to get the fuck out.

    Amanda, exactly! Movies should be for the people who actually pay for them.

    Jay, yeah, kids in a casino is the epitome of trashy.

    LMSS, but even those rare occasions are frustrating to those of us who are an audience to it.

    Sarah, can I come into your store and lick your mirrors, though?

    Danalyn, oh, I agree. The parent should definitely be banned as well.

    Jozet, that’s why I think it’s okay for kids to go places like chain restaurants (Friday’s, Chili’s, etc.) where adults expect it to be loud, so it’s not quite so annoying, but they can learn how to interact in a social situation without annoying me in a an actually nice restaurant.

    Wayne, nah, my rules would be more efficient in that case.

    Kay, does your three-year old cry? Ever?

    Colleen, oh, I’d expect kids to behave in kid-friendly places, too – that helps them understand how to act properly even if they get excited.

    SingleParentDad, even a kid with an aptitude for fitting in is going to lapse occasionally and annoy those around him or her.

    Robin, parents are the ones responsible and to blame, but maybe if kids get banned from these places, parents will start doing a better job so that the rules will change!

    Aunt Robin, that’s why I think it’s okay for them to be in some social situations – just not in nice places.

    Blondefabulous, what’s the difference between children and kids?

    LeSombre, I’m glad to see you’re doing your job as parents, but I think a ban on kids in general would make it easier on everyone.

    Jennifer, tell me more about this “gravo”!

    Karen, that’s almost more annoying than the actual kid acting up!

    Mattie, that’s probably a valuable lesson!

    Lin, children should be allowed in to museums only under very limited circumstances. Maybe when adults aren’t around.

    Sarah, that’s why a family-friendly plane would be a genius idea!

    Britt, I do too!

    SciFi Dad, that’s why they can learn proper etiquette in restaurants that aren’t nice fany restaurants. Plus, I took etiquette classes as a kid – you can learn all of that stuff just like you can learn math and science and vocabulary.

    NYCWD, operas are not the most entertaining, I’ll give you that.

    Jules, exactly!

    Muskrat, I’m almost always right. It’s a heavy burden.

    Paticus, I wish more parents were like you too!

    Robin, I agree completely.

    Sybil, kids should be allowed in public from like 8 AM until 6 PM and then that’s it. Like a curfew.

    Hello, I know I can’t say all, but it’s just easier to do that.

    Clown, I think Will and Tina have been stealing from my wallet again. Chop off their other hands.

    Finn, nobody knew there was a baby there but if he had started crying, everyone would have known and it would have ruined the experience, right?

    Em, I only wish my rules could be enforced!

    Grant, licenses to kill should be mandatory.

    Hello, you shouldn’t have been in a restaurant like that dressed like that in the first place. That would have annoyed me no matter how well behaved you are or whether or not you knew what chateaubriand was.

    Metalmom, yeah, the parents who have clearly lost power over their kids are very frustrating – more so than the kids themselves.

    Nat, that’s what TV is for!

    Faiqa, I’ll trade you a get out of ass kicking free card for the newest Buffy trade!

  33. Allyson

    I think enough people have already made the point that well-behaved children are getting a bad rap from the mongrels that abound. I also think that if you don’t want to be annoyed by kids, you should stay home. The fact of the matter is that humans are designed top procreate. Societies are built to protect children into adulthood. Non-breeders like yourself are less important tothe world than breeders, so if anyone should suffer being locked up in a house, it’s you.

    • Jackie

      @Allyson, I have a right to participate in society. I will not be tyrannized by parents demanding everyone who isn’t child friendly stay at home. You are one of the people who make life sufferable for anyone who doesn’t follow the call to breed.

      I have a right to go to a restaurant, and not be treated like a freak, because entitled parents feel their children should be able to scream, squawk, howl, yell wherever they want to.

      I have a right to go grocery shopping without hearing the shreik of a child, only to have their parents stalk off looking at everyone like monsters.

      I have a right to live and participate in society, free of harassment, and discrimination from people like you. People who think you have to breed to participate in life.

      • Allyson

        @Jackie, your rights aren’t actually being violated. No one has a “right” to not be annoyed or irritated. And what I said to Avi, was if you don’t want to be annoyed or irritated then stay home, as going out in public is annoying with or without children.

        • Jackie

          @Allyson, I typically am not harassed by people without children. Nor am I told by them that I should stay home, if I have a problem with them, because they do not cause trouble. Where as parents demand everyone worship their child, and if they don’t they deserve to be treated terribly.

          Animals are designed to procreate, humans have brains and can decide wether or not to breed. Having children isn’t a manifest destiny. You say that non-breeders are less important to the world. That sounds like someone who believes one is only a worthy person if they’ve given into their animal urges, and have made a baby.

          I am tired of this sense of entitlement over all others by parents. Now to the point where they can dictate who should be out in public and who shouldn’t. The fact is parents are solely responsible for their children. The village does not exsist for them to pass the buck when they are having a lazy day. If you can’t behave your children stay home. In the majority of cases people choose to have children, and in choosing that lifestyle comes certain responsiblities. You are claiming non-breeders are lesser, because they have the strength and independance to get through life without being tied down with children. Really?

          I find it very upsetting that people like you suggest that people like me shouldn’t go out, because we’re not babylovers. You know, I don’t have any right to expect decent behavior from others, since it’s so rare to find people who can see past themselves and their children, to understand that people without children have feelings too.

          There are more and more people every day deciding to shun society, because our society is so messed up that you can’t even go one day without encountering some parental drama. It’s difficult living in a society where the rules of common courtesy seem to go out the window whenever children are involved. I rarely if ever encounter problems with adults, I almost always encounter some sort of issue with parents.

          The fact is animals procreate everyday, having a baby is simply a part of nature. It’s a natural process, like going to the bathroom. It’s time for people to stop acting as if it takes some special ability to breed, and start respecting those who use their brains to get ahead instead of their bodies. I guess most parents are so miserable, that they have to demand everyone join in their conviction that they’re somehow special. All I ask is to be able to go out, and not deal with some parental drama. Apparently my only choice is to stay home, because it’s too much to expect that parents behave themselves. Once you have a baby apparently your brain goes full primative, and even basic concepts like apologizing when you or your child acts out, are lost. Instead life is just one tantrum after the next, don’t like living in a society that gives free reign to adults who’s social skills are at age 3? Stay at home.

  34. Avitable

    Hello, I stand by my point! Kids in bathing suits don’t belong in restaurants, ever. Neither do adults.

    Kris, I’m sure many of them are much more tolerable. It’s funnier how many parents feel this way!

    Allyson, actually, with overpopulation, procreation is slowly losing priority now. Us non-breeders have more value than people who are thrusting their grubby, nasty kids on the struggling world.

  35. Giggle Pixie

    Parents who don’t properly discipline their kids and teach them proper manners and respect are one of my BIGGEST pet peeves. I can’t tell you the number of times I want to say something to these rude, obnoxious monsters I am seeing all over town these days. My tongue has permanent bite marks on it.

    THat said, it might be a bit tough not allowing them on airplanes. Unless they start issuing horse tranquilizers to parents for their kids as they board. :thumbsup:

    • fed up with rude kids and their parents

      @Giggle Pixie, I agree, how about kids who call stare at and call people who have a handicapp ugly, and the parents do nothing
      I had a kid call me the R word and say eww to her mother, the mother said I guess your right to her daughter, the kid was about 10.

  36. Fantastagirl

    My children know how to act in public, they know if they misbehave, they will be taken out of where ever we are and have their bottoms swatted. I can’t tell you how many times other customers have walked by our table and stopped to tell us how well behaved our children are, most don’t realize we have children with us, until they walk by.

    My children say “Please, Thank-you, and No Thank you.” They can order off the regular menu and will eat what they get.

    We have taken them to the movies -but as a general rule, we take them to the afternoon shows – we know our children, we know their limits, and taking them to a show after their bedtime – not a good idea. But they love going to the movies, and it is a HUGE treat to be able to go.

    As parents, we are very demanding of our children, and what we expect of them. I would take my children to a museum – but only if the exhibits would hold their interest. Dinosaurs – yes; art by Picasso – not so much.

    I think as a parent is it my job to teach them what is acceptable, and what is not. Don’t hate the kids for having bad parents, hate the parents for being too lazy to do their jobs.

    Did your parents ever take you anywhere? At what age did you start going to restaurants, movies, museums, the opera etc…. How did you learn how to behave in public – how did you learn what is acceptable behavior?

    • Jackie

      @Fantastagirl, I misbehaved as a child, as an adult I regret bothering those around me. My mom used to yell at me, and having a sensitivity to sudden loud sounds, I became very quiet and withdrawn from terror. My mom didn’t realize this at the time, because there wasn’t the amount of awareness of Autism Spectrum Disorders as there is today, I have Asperger’s Syndrome.

      I tried my best to be polite, and got many compliments at restaurants. I was a rather shy kid, so I didn’t really bring much attention to myself. The problem is kids aren’t motivated to behave these days. There are even parents, who encourage their children to misbehave. They know they are invincible, and should anyone retaliate, they can throw a tantrum about how they attacked their chillllddd.

      Sure kids misbehave, but restaurants, and parents need to be made aware that sensory sensitivity to sudden loud noises are a reality, and you only are making things worse by being confrontory towards the person who has it. If I cover my ears, I’m looked at like something is wrong with me. If I don’t I’m treated like some kind of monsterous child hater. If I try to explain my situation, I’m almost immediately interrupted with a story about how well behaved the parent’s child is. There is no talking to parents with misbehaving kids, because they are misbehavers themselves. I will not submit myself to be emotionally abused, by another parent who thinks that I’m just someone who hates kids and wants to tear me down. I will not go home and cry about how I don’t hate kids, but if parents want to label me as such I will become the monster they claim I am.

  37. Avitable

    Giggle Pixie, I support a family-only airline!

    Fantastagirl, we went out to dinner only on special occasions, and we almost never went to the movies until I was at least 9 or 10. In school, I took etiquette classes, and holiday dinners with my relatives helped to cement proper manners.

    I don’t blame the kids who are little shits – I do blame the parents, but in the end, it’s the kids who are annoying at that moment, too.

    Ren, how old are they? πŸ™‚ Email me, btw. Maybe we can get together for dinner or something. And the kids are invited!

  38. Kris

    Ok, I was playing devils advocate and trying to start shit. Trust me, I hate nothing more than spoiled kids and inattentive parents who wont’ correct their kids in public. But those without kids must realize how hard it is to reprimand your kids’ behavior in public when every other person is like “omg, she beat that kid’s ass. That’s child abuse!” I actually had a lady follow me through a store one day because I had hte nerve to push my child out of danger and tell her (in my mom voice) to tie her shoe. I handed my phone to the lady and told her to call the cops if she was gonna. Then i proceeded to “shop the same aisles at the same time” as her. (snicker)

    Seriously though – I agree with you on most fronts, but I land somewhere in the middle of “they have to have the experience in order to know how to act in that moment.” I think we’re around the same age and when we were kids, it was “be seen and not heard.” Nowadays there’s all that “oh you’ll hurt his little psyche….waaa waaa waaa.”

    I also have an Asperger’s child (incredibly bright but no filter between the brain and mouth and low social skills). She’s also got sensory problems and when she’s overwhelmed and gone, she’s GONE and there’s no bringing her back to reality until she can calm down. I KNOW THIS and I adjust my outings with her accordingly. Every parent should!

    • Jackie

      @Kris, does your Aspie child have a sensitivity to sudden loud sounds? Society is extremely unfriendly to those who have this condition, because it requires parents to behave their children.

      There needs to be attention paid to the discrimination and outright hatred, shown to people who have sensitivity to sudden loud sounds shown by parents with misbehaving kids. I wouldn’t want your daughter to go through what I’ve gone through. Being told you should stay at home, because your condition which is beyond your control is a burden to lazy parents.

      • Kris

        @Jackie,

        Yes, she’s got the sensory problems, along with anxiety, etc. When the anxiety kicks in, the OCD goes crazy and her tics get out of control. And she’s on the MILD side of spectrum. You wouldn’t know she’s an Aspie on first sight unless you’re quite familiar with them.

        We ride the fence between educating those who don’t “get it” and have a little understanding, and keeping her at home when it’s necessary for her…not for society. Generally she’s in decompress mode when she needs it and I take her to the side to do so, so it doesn’t disturb other people. I do that with my non-Aspie kid too though.

  39. Tracy Lynn

    I have always taken my nieces out, to lots of places, and they have always behaved well, but I think that may be because I consistently have threatened them with physical violence and exclusion if they misbehave.

    I do not take crap from ANYONE, much less a child.

  40. just beth

    I take my kids everywhere possible. How else are they supposed to learn how to behave? You can’t just tell a child ‘look, when you’re ten we’ll go there and you’ll act perfect’. shit, you couldn’t just tell an adult that and expect perfection.

    My son, twelve, loves the theatre, he’s been going since he was three. He’s well behaved in restauraunts and movies and the plane. I plan on exposing my little ones to as many different activities as possible, so that they will know how to act in different situations.

    Sorry, but you just pointed out how very little people who don’t have children understand about how to raise them properly.

    But I still love you!

    xo

    b.

  41. metalmom

    Just Beth ,you make a great point about exposing your kids to different environments, but I think you are wrong to say that Adam doesn’t understand about raising kids properly. He only asks that your kids behave PROPERLY. And sure, take your kids out to learn, but please be one of those parents that disciplines their child and teaches them that noise will get them taken home.

    The most important point was made by Kris “I adjust my outings with her accordingly. Every parent should!”

  42. Kris

    Beth, I think what metalmom means is it’s not so much NOT taking them out to begin with, but more a case of realizing that if they’re losing their shit, no matter WHERE you are, you have to be remove them instead of disturbing everyone else.

    My kids love the theater, too – especially musicals. But if they were kicking seats or making a commotion, you’re damn straight that I’m going to deal with it then and there. Too many parents don’t, and it gives the rest of us a bad name. I do the same thing with my husband when he’s out of control.

    And when she’s already having a difficult day, there’s really nowhere I HAVE to take her. (On occasion, maybe to the store for meds or something, but then we make it as quick a trip as possible.)

    Kids who behave themselves aren’t the issue – unless I’m misinterpreting.

  43. just beth

    metalmom: He does say that they shouldn’t be allowed these experiences (Adam does)… now, if he were saying that children who’s parents are fucktard’s should be allowed these experiences, then I’d say hells yeah you’re right. There are definatley people out there who do NOT take care of their children and who have little to zero respect for others around them. I’m not one of them, though. I want the people next to me to have a pleasant time, too. And if that means yanking my two year old out of a restaurant to a time out in the car, you’d better believe that’s what it takes. But to say that I shouldn’t take them anywhere until they’re older is unreasonable.

    That being said, I agree with you and Kris about adjusting your outings accordingly. I just didn’t read that in Adams post… I believe he used words more like ‘restricted to’ and ‘shouldn’t be allowed’. I think that’s just as wrong as the idiots who let their children run amok.

    xo!

    b.

  44. Avitable

    Kris, I definitely think you have a good attitude about it. And I don’t think you’re that much older!

    Tracy, well, you are intimidating.

    Just Beth, that’s why I’m saying that they should learn in places where it’s expected to be loud and obnoxious. Like TGI Friday’s. At some point they have to actually learn how to act without experiencing it firsthand. I did.

    Metalmom, the good parents do make it so you don’t even know kids are there, which is what I prefer.

    Beth, nope. They should come to you.

    Hilly, musicals and theater, yes. I’ve also been to both operas and symphonies, although they’re not my favorite activities.

    Twinkie, mmhmm. I’m sure.

    Redneck Mommy, it’s a good thing you love assholes.

    Beth, the thing is, you can’t tell which kids are good or bad until they get out there and act up, and even good kids still act up. Regardless, it’s very annoying to those of us whenever someone’s kid acts up, even if it’s unusual for them. So the best way to keep that from happening is just to make a blanket statement! Or make soundproof rooms for families that the rest of us can avoid.

  45. Ginger

    I agree with LeSombre 100%

    I am a single mom, and even when I was married I was alone with my daughter most of the time anyway. I began taking my daughter out with me to restaurants, church, movies, and other public places, etc. from the very beginning out of necessity (I couldn’t afford a baby sitter all the time). She learned very quickly how to socially interact with adults, and if there was the slightest acting out on her part, I was quick to whisk her out of the situation. It was MY responsibility as the parent to be sure nobody else was inconvenienced by my having her there. I believe she is a very well-adjusted, socially intelligent, mature girl for 8 years of age because of it.

    Now, for children whose parents have not disciplined them properly and who are hellions, all of Avitable’s rules above apply. πŸ˜‰

  46. Fantasy Writer Guy

    I think kids deserve a lot more respect and responsibility than we give them. For instance I think that when kids are old enough to walk they should be given a mining helmet and a few spare bulbs and be expected to contribute to the family income.

    Movies

    I think that kids are fine to go to the movies any time, no matter what movie – as long as it is being shown at the bottom of a mine.

    Restaurants

    There should be no kids in restaurants except for the mining company cafeterias.

    Public places

    Are there public mines? Didn’t think so. Public places are OUT!

    Airplanes

    There is no need for kids on airplanes ever. Wherever they’re going – give them a pick and they can tunnel their way there.

    Museums

    This is an exception. Kids should go to museums so that they can learn about their world. This is important for them. As long as it is not a museum where I am personally visiting – and it’s at the bottom of a mine.

    Musicals, opera, symphonies:

    Do they have musicals, operas and symphonies in mines? No? Moot question then.

    By the way – I define kids as anyone 2 to 29.

    Cheers.

  47. Jozet at Halushki

    Well, I may be able to tell an adult to get the fuck out, but rarely does it happen as often as it should. And adults are big and tell you to fuck off right back. Or worse. Believe me, I’ve been on the receiving end of that behavior, too. Retail workers are the dogs everyone likes to kick.

    As for taking kids to Applebees or whatever and eating from their high fat, low creativity menu, I’m fully against raising another generation of adults with bad taste and bad taste.

    And if parents are really doing a god awful job with their kids and not just having a bad moment, then unfortunately, it is up to the rest of us to step in and either help out or let kids know the parameters whether in the moment or through helping mentor in youth group activities, etc. Otherwise, another generation of – honestly *neglected* – children will grow up to another generation of crap adults. That said, diplomacy and kindness rule the day, as does awareness of the different parameters within different cultures. A good kid in one culture is much different than a good kid in others.

    • Jackie

      @Jozet at Halushki, the truth is you can’t tell when a parent is being God awful, or having a bad moment. Truth is parents are adults right? Why does everyone then insist we treat them like children?

  48. ADW

    Yeah, I’m gonna have to disagree with pretty much everything you just said. My children have been traveling with me and dining out with me since they were babies.

    I enjoy nice dinners and my kids do too. They will eat pretty much everything but Vietnamese food – they don’t like it. And I don’t go to dinner to pay a fortune for Chicken Fingers either.

    We also go to the theatre and I have tried to teach them to appreciate all art forms like museums and the symphony.

    As for movies, we don’t go often anyway, but when we do, it’s for a random cartoon movie.

    That said, I worked in bars and restaurants for a really long time. Please teach your children how to behave before you bring them out of the house. The worst thing in the world is having a lovely meal interrupted by a screaming, cranky kid who is being a major brat. No, the worst thing is having to wait on them while their indulgent, “let’s be friends and never correct our children” parents laugh like it’s a hilarious thing to have your brats jumping up and down on tables and running through the restaurant.

    And people who bring their kids to a bar = super assholes.

    Period.

  49. Avitable

    Ginger, I would rather just apply it across the board to all kids so I don’t have to discriminate.

    Michelle, you like exclamation points, though!

    Shash, me too – we would have loved your opinion in the chatroom.

    FWG, you make some very valid points.

    Jennifer, I might have to slip some of that into kids’ drinks next time I babysit.

    Jozet, maybe we should just require people to have a license to have a child?

    ADW, isn’t “Super Asshole” your nickname for me?

    J from Ireland, in the end, that’s all that matters!

  50. maman

    I understand your point, but I would like to say that I have raised my children right and that my kids have been taught to behave themselves. How behaved are they? Their behavior has been praised by flight attendants on international flights and waiters in Parisian restaurants.

    I will agree that the majority of children are not properly supervised in public but unfortunately that is not their fault. They will be no more civilized when they are 30. I’m sure you have seen those kinds of asshats when you go out. :sex014: If they had been properly civilized as children they would have turned out to be better grownups.

  51. Myg

    Just have to say I agree. I am pregnant for the first time (with twin boys) and I’ve worked with kids professionally since 1998. You couldn’t be more right in the philosophy underlying this – teach your kids NOT to annoy strangers. I don’t necessarily agree practically speaking 100% that say, kids shouldn’t be allowed to fly until they’re 9. But, hey, I agree with the sentiment behind it – if your kid can’t handle the plane, drive.

  52. Allyson

    Ok, this comment is two days late, so I won’t be surprised if you don’t respond, BUT:

    Over population is a myth. In Italy, for instance, the goverment is offering cash rewards to women who give birth to try to increase their population. I know there were other countries mentioned in the article, but I only retain what’s interesting to me, and since my children and in-laws are Italian, that’s the only one that stuck.

  53. Poppy

    I tried to leave a comment two days ago via BlackBerry’s Opera mini but it wouldn’t let me. All I had to say was:

    I’m not driving to England.

    And, also, I enjoyed listening to your show in archive form.

  54. Avitable

    Myg, exactly!

    Allyson, with people living much longer lifespans and with modern medicine keeping those alive who otherwise should have died, our population will eventually overtake the land we have on which to house them. How is that a myth?

    Poppy, make England come to you.

  55. martymankins

    Well behaved kids are not an issue, for the most part. I took my daughter to a lot of places and she was pretty well behaved. If she was tired and got cranky, we cut our visit short and left as to not bother the masses.

    To add to your movie ban, any movie that is rated for adults, leave the kid at home. I can’t tell you how fucking pissed I get when I go see an R-Rated action film and some parent has their 2 month old baby in their arms, while they are trying to watch the movie. Not only will the kids hearing be damaged at a very early age, the first peep out of that kid while Mother of the Year is trying to find out what happens to Bruce Willis is going to irritate every adult in that theater.

    BTW, I agree with everything you said above.

    • Jackie

      @martymankins, not to mention that parent should be called in to CPS for emotionally abusing their child. Only a truly sick or mentally ill parent, would think it’s alright to take their baby or young child to a violent film. Then the schools have to deal with their sadistic bully, when they are older, because their first lesson in life was how to treat someone with malice.

  56. Solo-Dad

    When Little Elvis was 2 he had one of those ‘teachable-two’ moments in a restaurant while we were waiting to be seated. A young man about 25 or so walked over, looked my son and then at me and said, “What a monster.”

    My response to him was the same as it is to all who think kids should the sometimes-seen and not heard: “Hello! Guess what? You were like that once, too. The only difference is you obviously never grew out of being obnoxious and totally self-absorbed.” :loser:

    Today, at 12, LE is more mannered and respectful than that young man was at 25.

    It isn’t kids I have a problem with in the situations cited above, it’s with the parents. If I can’t get a sitter, I simply postpone going to the movies until I can get one. I’m in agreement with those who think parents should use better judgment when considering taking a small child to an 8pm or later film. Hey, I get cranky when I stay up too late, too. :banghead:

    And about crying babies on planes? They have no mechanism for unplugging their ears; and as most infants and toddlers have chronically congested uestachian tubes, it causes intense pressure and pain. Next time you’re in a plane, think about that.

    • Jackie

      @Solo-Dad, teachable-two moments? What a cute term, so you can avoid the reality that your child was misbehaving. That’s the type of parental delusionment I’ve been talking about. As far as the man saying your child was a monster, you showed you were just as immature if not more immature than him. The proper response is, “I’m sorry.”

      It’s just too much for parents to put their egos aside, step out of their little world where only they and their children exsist, and apologize. No, instead it’s easier to hide behind baby talk like teachabuh momant, and keep telling yourself your child isn’t misbehaving. Keep telling yourself until you’ve gotten yourself into that delusional place where nobody can touch you or your child.

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  58. Kaya

    Holy crap, I agree, I agree, I agree!!!! If I was the boss of the world (LOL) I would make one day ‘kid-free day’ when parents aren’t allowed to bring their children into public (unless they are still a fetus, I suppose that’s acceptable) and either have to hire a babysitter or stay home with the ill-mannered little brats they created. Oh, what a pleasure grocery shopping would be without screaming kids running up and down the aisles, pushing old people out of the way. Stores could even hand out champagne at the door for their adults-only event and a mean looking bouncer could stand at the door refusing entry to families. Giggle. Swear words could be spoken allowed rather than muttered under your breath. Oh, in a perfect world…

  59. kids r mean

    I hate it when kids say ewww when they see a person who is disfigured and they call them ugly. and the parent just ignores the comment their little brat made instead of thelling them to say sorry.

    • Jackie

      @kids r mean, that’s because their parents don’t know how to say sorry. The majority of the time, parents with kids like that live in their own world where only they and their children matter. It’s like trying to reason with a lunatic, explaining to them their child did something wrong. They will go into complete hysterics, anything to set their imagined reality back into order. Most parents live delusionally like this. Their child misbehaves, expect a nervous breakdown or dissociation from one’s self, until they’ve set their reality back into they way they imagine it to be.

  60. The MAD White Woman

    Want to know something that’s a total bitch? At home, The Demon Squad is just that – holy little fucking terrors most days. But every damn person I know whom they visit swears they are little angels. Go figure. I think I need to just move the hell out and have them come visit ME. Whadda ya think?

  61. Jackie

    Well, I think parents who allow their children to misbehave need a psychiatrist. There are some real issues here, as far as parents completely departing from reality when their children misbehave. From, having tantrums, regressing to the behavior of a young child, to aggressive and abusive behavior. Why is it that parents are allowed to behave so irrationally? The reality that most parents will do anything short of a psychotic meltdown, to convince themselves their child never misbehaves, is something that needs to be delt with. You want to know why people glare at parents, trying to talk to them about their child misbehaving, only results in the type of behavior one would expect of a mentally ill person. Adults don’t make faces, look around then act as if they’re about to burst into tears like a helpless 3 year old, scream like a banshee because their child knocked over some DVDs, or berate someone for telling them they need to behave their child, until that person is broken.

    Could someone explain to me why this behavior is seen as even remotely normal? Are you telling me that hormones get so out of whack after pregnancy, that one acquires a condition of emotional unstability like a person with Bipolar disorder? Not only is the behavioral instability of parents with misbehaving children frustrating, it is frightening. People don’t try to talk to parents, because they know if they do they will be confronted with wildly unpredictable irrational behavior.

    I have a condition where high pitched sounds cause me pain. Save going to bars, there is no place I can go that isn’t free of unbehaved children. I go to a restaurant, I’m told something is wrong with me for not sharing in the delusion that the screaming of a child, sounds like an angel’s choir. I go shopping, I’m confronted with monsterous parents who expect everyone to ignore their screaming baby. I rarely get any understanding for my condition, because it is one that requires parents to behave like adults, and actually parent their children. Based on the extreme personality disorders it seems one acquires after pregnancy, all I can do is glare. I am not a parent, which puts me at the front of the line for the reaction from parents, like someone has threatened their child with a shotgun. If I am not outright attacked for not joining or sponsoring the cult of the breeder, I am told I have no right to particpate in society because of my condition. I try my best to function under these circumstances.

    I know of no other group of people, if not encouraged, allowed to openly display hatred and abuse others. These parents then wonder why their children have grown up to be manipulative bullies in school, when they have taught them that behavior themselves. Nothing is more disgusting than seeing an adult woman, resort to the behavior of a small child when told they need to behave their child. I would think after age 30 a woman, would understand making big eyes, looking as if they’re about to collapse on the floor crying, looking around as if they’re lost like a toddler in a grocery store isn’t acceptable behavior. It seems there is a clear association between becoming a parent, and age regressive behavior. Aside from those who are mentally disabled, I don’t know of another group of people who gain understanding and support, despite acting like a 3 year old in an adult body.

    This is why those of us who are childfree find parents so irritating. A 3 year old cannot call the cops on you, an adult behaving and thinking like a 3 year old can. It’s better to try and send a message through glaring, rather than inviting abuse or being put in the position of looking like someone who just stole a little girl’s favorite dolly, when it comes to parents who feel it’s appropriate to behave at the same age as their own small children. There is simply no rationalizing with these parents, they will go through countless mood and personality changes, in a desperate attempt to resolve the conflict between reality and the delusion they live in. Their child isn’t misbehaving, not in their little world.

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