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Christmas and political correctness

On Twitter last night, this twat declared that wishing “Merry Christmas” to someone who is not Christian (or Xtian, as she put it) is offensive, arrogant, insensitive, and bad manners (never mind the hypocrisy that calling Christians Xtians is highly offensive). Now, I know that she’s one of those overly sensitive idiots, because when I deigned to call her unsolicited opinion obnoxious, she decided that meant I was Anti-Semitic. Her abject stupidity aside, I had to discuss this sentiment she expressed.

Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is in no way insisting that they have to celebrate Christmas. It doesn’t mean they have to buy a Christmas tree or believe in Jesus or hang stockings on their chimneys or tell their kids about Santa Claus. They don’t have to be jolly or sing carols or exchange gifts. The sentiment expressed is simply wishing the recipient a happy holiday season.

In addition, Christmas has really become much more than just a Christian holiday. Christmas Day is a national, federal holiday. The sentiment of a merry Christmas can be seen as simply as a desire for the recipient to enjoy the entirely secular day off from work that falls on December 25th.

Finally, anyone who is vocalizing a positive sentiment, who is just wishing someone well, hoping for that person’s happiness and well-being, is not doing anything offensive. The only people who could possibly be offended by that would be someone who (1) likes to just start shit, (2) is overly sensitive beyond what any rational person could reasonably expect, and/or (3) a fucking moron.

This doesn’t mean that you can’t find it annoying. Of course you can be annoyed, whether you don’t want to have a good day or you don’t celebrate any holidays or you’re just a bah, humbug type of person. I get annoyed when people tell me “have a blessed day”, but I’m not offended. For fuck’s sake, they’re hoping that my day is a good one – what could I find offensive in that? If my Jewish friends wished me a happy Chanukah or my Hindi friends wished me a most felicitous Diwali or my Muslim friends wished me a gracious Eid, I would appreciate being included and, more importantly, appreciate the positive well wishing.

Am I missing anything? Is there a good reason for a non-Christian to be offended by a “Merry Christmas” or a non-Jew to be offended by a “Happy Chanukah” or anything like that? Or is it just a case of someone trying to find a way to be offended for the sake of being offended?

Please don’t hesitate to leave your opinion, even if it disagrees with mine. Unlike Margalit, I do not delete, edit, or moderate comments that are not spam.

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150 Replies to “Christmas and political correctness”

  1. amanda

    okay, lord knows I’m a bleeding liberal most of the time, but this one irritates me. I’m not generally one to overlook the little man, but like 90% of Americans are Christian (not Xtian, which is highly offensive and degrading towards Christ) so, um, yeah. It happens. Get over it. I wouldn’t be offended if you wished me a happy Ramadan or Hanukkah, so it’s asinine to be offended (I’m not saying irritated, or annoyed, but offended) if someone says Merry Christmas.

  2. Karen Sugarpants

    Thank fucking Christ I’m atheist and could care less about getting offended.

    I don’t send Christmas cards because it offends the environmentalists.

    I see Christmas as a time to spend with family — and since most people are lucky enough to have extra time off work to spend together, it just means you have that much more time to offend and annoy the shit out of the people you love, right?

    Merry Fucking Christmas, indeed.

  3. Mamacita

    I can’t even imagine being offended by someone’s greeting me and wishing me well in the language of his/her own belief system. Why would I get all in a wad over somebody smiling at me and wishing me well? Why, you’d hafta be nuckin futz to be that militant about wording. I love it when people wish me well! Christmas, Solstice, Kwanzaa, whatever; I’m just happy someone cared enough to share their own happiness with me.

  4. margalit

    It’s a shame to know that you’re not only an insensitive boob who cares more about yourself than the people you want to gift with a card, you’re also too freaking stupid to even know your own religion’s history. What a freaking asshat.

    X can mean so many things. For example, when we want to denote an unknown quantity, we use the symbol X. It can refer to an obscene level of films, something that is X-rated. People seem to express chagrin about seeing Christ’s name dropped and replaced by this symbol for an unknown quantity X. Every year you see the signs and the bumper stickers saying, “Put Christ back into Christmas” as a response to this substitution of the letter X for the name of Christ.

    First of all, you have to understand that it is not the letter X that is put into Christmas. We see the English letter X there, but actually what it involves is the first letter of the Greek name for Christ. Christos is the New Testament Greek for Christ. The first letter of the Greek word Christos is transliterated into our alphabet as an X. That X has come through church history to be a shorthand symbol for the name of Christ.

    We don’t see people protesting the use of the Greek letter theta, which is an O with a line across the middle. We use that as a shorthand abbreviation for God because it is the first letter of the word Theos, the Greek word for God.

    The idea of X as an abbreviation for the name of Christ came into use in our culture with no intent to show any disrespect for Jesus. The church has used the symbol of the fish historically because it is an acronym. Fish in Greek (ichthus) involved the use of the first letters for the Greek phrase “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.” So the early Christians would take the first letter of those words and put those letters together to spell the Greek word for fish. That’s how the symbol of the fish became the universal symbol of Christendom. There’s a long and sacred history of the use of X to symbolize the name of Christ, and from its origin, it has meant no disrespect.

  5. Ginger

    Oh, for god’s sake…I think people are too politically correct for their own good and are looking for something to get offended at. Like you said…looking to start shit or entirely too sensitive beyond reason.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all not be so easily offended at one another’s beliefs or lack thereof? Wouldn’t it be nice if we all could be respectful of each other’s beliefs or lack thereof as well?

    You may say I’m a dreamer…but I’m not the only one.

  6. Chrissi

    I believe that the person a few comments above mine just likes to start shit. this is just a case of her wanting to be a fire starter..

    I’ve seen it before.. Now lookie – she is at once again.

    Adam – MERRY Christmas to you and your lovely wife.

    I will be down in FL in 9 days! We will be spending Christmas at Treasure Island Beach! Flip flops and sand – gotta love it!

  7. rebturtle

    My agnostic/Humanist ass has a Christmas tree, Christmas lights, and a metric buttload of presents to dole out every Dec. 25th. I think Christmas is a great family/community tradition.

    The only thing that irks me is the big billboards exclaiming, “Christ, the reason for the season.” Excuse me? Were there 3 seasons in the years BC – because they certainly had large harvests and get-togethers and celebrations and gift-giving. So it must have been Jesus that adjusted quantum physics and brought us winter and snow? I didn’t think so. :pissed: [/rant]

    Merry fucking Christmas!! :angel:

  8. Dan

    I think that Margalit needs to perhaps get a grip. I was tempted to go over there and tell her myself, but then thought better of it. Nothing to be gained that way I think.

    Still, I would like to extend my very warmest Christmas wishes to her and her family. I hope the baby Jesus treats her well in the new year.

  9. Rachel

    I am not offended by people saying Merry Christmas to me. I am offended when people at work decorate my desk w/ Christmas decorations.
    What bothers me is the Hanukah gets an endcap in a store. But it’s reflex to say Merry Christmas, I say it automatically to most people also.
    It’s not a big deal.
    The main reason I don’t like Christmas cards is because I don’t like getting mail.

  10. Blondefabulous


    Why do people have to be so fucking politically correct they ruin the holidays for other people? My family and I are going to Universal on the 20th with our Jewish friend’s family for Grinchmas so we can all celebrate the first night of Chanukah. Yep, us Xtians are going to a celebration of Xmas with a Jewish family to light candles for a religon that isn’t ours.

    I’m just gonna burn in hell aren’t I? :xmas3:

  11. borysSNORC β„’

    Some people are only happy when they’re miserable. They like the drama, they like the indignation, they like the attention… so they tend to look for shit to bitch about.
    PS – Wishing you an arbitrary Happy Nothing Important Day tomorrow πŸ™‚

  12. kapgar

    I actually have had many people I know wish me a happy such-and-such on days of religious significance to them that I don’t share and they do not offend me at all. I look at it as them trying to share something of their religion or culture and attempting to wish me well in the process and it makes me smile that this person would take the time to do this with someone who is clearly not of the same viewpoint (me).

    I guess what I’m saying is I totally agree that there is no reason to be offended. With these same people I wish them a Merry Christmas, etc., and they take no offense either. Why can’t everyone be that cool with it?

  13. Sue

    Good Lord, that’s a waste of energy to get offended over that.

    This begs the question; are the non-Christians who celebrate Christmas anyway for the ‘family reasons’ still offended if you wish them a Merry Christmas?

    Here, though, is a classic example of why you should do the right thing even if you know it will offend somebody else. There is nothing wrong with wishing somebody well, despite their reaction.

  14. Lestlie

    Oh for fuck’s sake. Shit like this pisses me off enough to bring me out of the woodwork.

    It’s cute how people, when protected by their bubble cocoons, can be even bigger twats than they normally are.

    Christmas, like you said, isn’t about religion; to me, it’s about the feeling of the holiday season, the togetherness, the time off from work- whatever. I’m a practicing Buddhist and I have a Christmas tree, send out cards and give gifts. Never once do I mention anything religious in my cards (except for a simple “namaste” on the cards…and that’s not religious but whatever), nor do you see nativity scenes or baby jesuses in my house or on my tree.

    Idiots like that Margalit bitch just go around looking for reasons to be offended because she likes the coddling from her readers.

  15. Miss Britt

    I was actually thinking about this this morning, since it was MY twitter about the “Christmas cards” I was sending that started this whole shit storm.

    My thought was this –

    If Faiqa invited me to participate in her Eid celebrations, or included me in that in ANY way – I’d be fucking HONORED. I can’t imagine a scenario where that would OFFEND me.

    To me it’s not saying “here, let me shove my ideas down your throat”, it’s saying “this is something that’s important to me and I’d like to include you in it to let you know that I care about you. We don’t practice the same religion, but this is a time of year where people in MY religion stop and wish those closest to us well. I’d like to extend that sentiment to you.”

    I think if you choose to look for “arrogance” and “insensitivity” in a gesture that was intended for nothing but goodwill –

    well, that probably says more about you than it does about me.

  16. Dave2

    I’ve written about this many times, because I just don’t fucking get it.

    I don’t wish people a “Merry Christmas” because I’m not a Christian and don’t celebrate the holiday. But do I get gravely offended when people are kind enough to wish me a “Merry Christmas?” No. I do not. Why? Because they’re being NICE. Because they’re wishing me HAPPINESS. Because they’re caught up in the spirit of their holiday and are being KIND. This happens so rarely in our bitter, cynical world that I find it impossible to understand how people could take offense… even if they don’t celebrate Christmas.

    I mean, it’s not like somebody’s just told you to kiss their ass.

    And you just know that it’s only a matter of time before some dumbass decides to sue somebody for wishing them a “Merry Christmas” (if it hasn’t happened already). This is America, after all.

    Which leads me to this burning question: is it really so difficult to just say “thank you,” accept the kindness in the spirit it was given, and then shut the f#@% up about it?

    Probably not. This is America, after all.

  17. Em

    I do not celebrate Christmas or any other winter holiday. I don’t get offended when people say Merry Christmas to me… they are only trying to be nice after all… but I think some other people in my situation might be annoyed that everyone assumes everyone else is also celebrating Christmas… I don’t know…

  18. Cissa Fireheart

    I don’t get offended, but I do say “Happy Holidays” in return. Why? because if I don’t know their religion, I would rather get it somewhat right, and since there are like 3 or 4 holidays all rolled into 1 month, might as well cover it all!

    As a pagan, I don’t get offended though. I understand they are wish me glad tidings. They are trying to be nice. And usually, I will be nice back.

    I think that everyone, for one point or another, will be offended by something someone else says. It’s just human nature. We all need to just take a deep breath, step back and look at the big picture.

  19. Grant

    Surprisingly, I did see a post by a non-xtian blogger (who is normally not a moron or easily offended) who felt that saying Merry Xmas was pushing xtianity and so she preferred Seasons Greetings or Happy Holidays. I personally hate those because they’re almost offensively generic. To cover all my bases, I recommend wishing everyone a Happy Hannukwanzaramadamasux, followed up immediately with “fucker” for maximum politeness.

    So, Happy Hannukwanzaramadamasux, fucker.

  20. Squeaky Wheel

    It deleted my longer comment. I’ll just be to the point on this one: That woman is a fucking asshole who just wants to have something to complain about. Some people get off on being defensive all the time about things that they are that they “can’t” change. In Memphis, people are like that about their race. It’s a mess.

    Also, if your address is on Birch, I have your address. Let me know if you need mine.

  21. B.E. Earl

    I don’t think its really anything to get very worked up over. I grew up Catholic and had a bunch of Jewish friends as did my parents. I always would say “Happy Holidays” because that was what the season was to me. A bunch of different Holidays, including Christmas and Chanukah. It wasn’t because I was afraid I would upset someone if I said the wrong thing. I’m just lazy and I felt like making my statement all-inclusive.

    2 or 3 years ago, I happened to run into an acquaintance of mine at a local pub. I hadn’t seen him in a while and it was the week before Christmas. I strolled up to him, said “Happy Holidays” and shook his hand. He immediately became angry with me because I didn’t say “Merry Christmas”. He thought I was being a political correct pussy as it was a few years ago when this subject became a lightening rod in our community (there was a whole Christmas Tree/Menorah debate going on). I explained that I have always said “Happy Holidays” since I was a kid, but he wouldn’t have any of it. It was the strangest reaction I have ever heard.

    Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings, Festive Kwanzaa. Who really gives a crap? I just don’t get it. My Jewish friends love Christmas. So does my brother in-law and his entire Muslim family from Syria. None of them would be offended if I wished them a Merry Christmas. And none of the Christians I know should be upset if I wish them Happy Holidays. I don’t get it.

  22. Willie G

    We have sadly become a society of victims relishing the opportunity to be offended so that we can gripe and moan and hopefully take someone to court and get compensated for said offense. Look at the blog-world as an example. I think 99% would be a safe estimate of how much bitching occupies the blog space. I mean look at this post, she bitched at what you said, and then you bitched that she bitched, and now we’re all bitching at that bitch that bitched at you causing you to bitch. Enough already.. BITCH!!

  23. Gina

    I tend to send “Happy Holidays” or “Warm Winter Greetings” cards (and the like) instead of “Merry Christmas” cards out, but not because I am offended by the phrase. I simply try to include everyone in my holiday wishes by providing these other holiday wishes instead. My family, for instance, is mainly Christian, but my friends are primarily atheist or agnostic. I enjoy sending out holiday greetings to my friends and family and so I do.

    I am not sure -what- I am, aside from anti-organized religion and anti-fundamentalism, but I am not an atheist I know this. I have never been one of those offended by people saying “Merry Christmas,” nor have I been offended by those who say “Happy Holidays.”

    That being said, while we can say now that the majority of US citizens are Christian – 78% according to figures I found – this does not mean that the other 22% do not matter. They matter just as much as any who believe in Jesus.

    All the same, Avitable makes very good points and I say “hear, hear” to the sentiment that we are all simply trying to wish one another well by saying “Merry Christmas,” “Happy Holidays,” or “Seasons Greetings.” πŸ™‚

  24. Janelle

    I will always say “Merry Christmas” and in return whatever you celebrate, I would expect you to say the appropriate thing to me whether it is “Happy Chanukah” or something else.

    If you don’t celebrate anything, just say “Season’s Greetings” to me or say “fuck off I don’t celebrate this time of year!”

    But for goodness sakes to get offended if I say, “Merry Christmas” to you, like Britt said, the issues are with you and not me.

  25. NYCWD

    I’m with you 1000% on this.

    It isn’t offensive to wish anyone well, whether it be Merry Christmas, Happy Chanuka, or Good Yule. Anyone who gets offended by that obviously has issues of not only being over sensitive but also of acceptance of others. This lack of tolerance, most often found in orthodox extremists, is very disturbing in the world today.

    As for the use of the letter X in place for the word Christ, it is in fact offensive to today’s Christians and viewed as derogatory. While it is true the origins began with the Greek Alphabet… it began in the time of Christian persecution when they were being fed to the lions. To continue to use it citing some historical significance, and not see the offensiveness in it, is short sighted and insensitive.

  26. Sheila (Charm School Reject)

    First off, I’d like to say that yes, I did order my “Keep Christ in Christmas” car magnet. Because it is important for ME and according to MY religion. I don’t do it as a way to “push” my religion or beliefs on anyone – I do it as a reminder to myself what I believe Christmas is all about and what it means to me, beyond the spectrum of shopping, presents and family time.

    That all being said, while I do not get offended by people telling me Happy Holidays, etc, I do not like it when people push for Merry XMas instead of Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. Yup – I’m “offended” (for lack of a better word) by that little innocuous X. But do you see me bitching about it? Um no. So, Margalit – stfu please.

  27. Robin

    as a girl raised Jewish i’ve never been offended but i usually respond with a happy holidays or something. i avoid anything i can possible avoid that is related to that holiday but i don’t get upset people say it to me. would i rather people just say “happy holidays”? yeah but then again i’d rather a lot of things that will never change.

  28. Kat

    I’m atheist, I don’t get offended, but this made me smile.
    “In addition, Christmas has really become much more than just a Christian holiday.”

    It was not a Christian holiday at all until the Romans stole it from the Pagans so the new Christian’s could have some traditions.
    In 350, Pop Julius declared December 25th the day Jesus was born because they didn’t know when it was, and so ta-da! Christmas!

    Oh, and the very first time a Christian ever even used a tree, was in 1520. In Germany. LOL

  29. Jay

    The “Merry Christmas v. Happy Holidays” thing is the biggest fake controversy in the history of this country. Driven by people like Bill O’Reilly who really do want Christians (or Xtians, which is NOT an offensive term) to seek out non-Christians and DEMAND that they have a “MERRY CHRISTMAS!!” dammit! And it’s also driven by the guilty white liberals who feel the need to be offended for people that they think aren’t smart enough to know when to be offended.

    I personally don’t know any non-Christian who is offended by being told “Merry Christmas” by someone. Hell, I even got a Christmas card from a Jew that actually said “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays.”

    But, I do know a large number of (alleged) Christians who become irate if someone were to tell them to have a Happy Hanukkah.

  30. Honeybell

    My husband (an atheist) and I were just talking about this. He EXPECTS to be told ‘Merry Christmas”. He EXPECTS the occasional “bless you”. Who the hell wouldn’t? (unless you happen to be in a synagogue, mosque, or Jehovah’s Witness Hall).

    I agree that some folks simply thrive on ‘feeling offended’, and seek out offenders to give themselves something to steam about.

  31. Tug

    I’m sending Christmas cards because I’M sending them and it’s what I celebrate…and would not be offended in the least to receive other non-Christmas wishes.

    People are stooooooopid. :xmas3:

  32. blueppaintred

    Christmas to me equals presents. thats it. Oh and hubs gets a week and a half off work (paid) that’s nice too.

    “In addition, Christmas has really become much more than just a Christian holiday. Christmas Day is a national, federal holiday. The sentiment of a merry Christmas can be seen as simply as a desire for the recipient to enjoy the entirely secular day off from work that falls on December 25th.”

    So from now on, I’m gonna say to people “Happy No Work Day!”

  33. Bridget

    That is one of my biggest pet peeves. And it’s not like Christians are the only ones celebrating Christmas. If anything, it’s more of a commercial holiday than a religious holiday anymore and by the way who the fuck cares. Enough with the sensitivity. I go out of my way to buy Happy Holiday cards because I don’t want to throw religion down anyone’s throat. But when you correct me if I say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, it makes me want to light your nine candles and shove them down your throat.

  34. Patrick D.

    As an agnostic, I pretty much agree with everybody here. I don’t get offended. The spirit of the salutation is good and that’s the point. You shouldn’t get bent out of shape because someone wished you well.

  35. Sybil Law

    I dated a guy once whose family didn’t celebrate Christmas – they celebrated “Winter Solstice”, but they still had a tree and gifts and all that stuff. They actually got offended if you said “Merry Christmas”, so I of course made a point of saying it to them. They thought nothing of offending me with their snide, atheist comments, anyway.
    Margalit is clearly someone who likes attention and seeks it out any way she can. She can kiss my blaring, white ass. Merry Christmas, Margalit! You made the baby Jesus cry!
    :lmao: :xmas3:

  36. PocketCT

    I did face painting at corporate Christmas party this weekend. When it was over, after I talked with the organizers about my camera being snagged during the affair, I said “Happy Holidays” to the people. One of the guys said back with some emphasis, “No Merry Christmas” and I was like well yeah that one too. I think the thing that annoys me most about this sort of behavior is that sort of “correctness” is forcing people to do things your way, whatever way that is. In any direction it is rigid and egotistical. I didn’t read the whole twat stream, well or any of it but I can see that there can be someone with the intention of forcing someone to celebrate Christmas the way THEY want by wishing everyone a merry Christmas, and there can be someone trying to force everyone not to celebrate in some certain way but not allowing anyone to say that without visible offense.

    So I agree with you if the person is generally being nice and such, but there are those people who frankly I would like to gag for the entire month.

    twitter is boundless in abbreviations. kthx

    I like how Kat called him pop julius, seems like the shopping mall juice dom.

    I’m not sure but I think the “Merry” part of this came from wassailing. Part of the festivities were all about this seasons beer being finally ready. Merry indeed.

  37. Faiqa

    This person, who is offended, is an idiot. She’s representative of the type of thinking that pushes people *away* from the issue of cultural sensitivity because she’s too much of a moron to apply it correctly.

  38. Crys

    no, you’re not missing anything. your point that anybody trying to do a positive thing is doing a GOOD thing is the most valid point. also, people who use Xtian have either an invested interest in letting everybody know they don’t like Christians and refuse to acknowledge them respectfully. it says far more about them than Christians, and that’s for sure.

  39. Crys

    oh and by the way? i love that this woman who is demanding respect and acknowledgment is also, in the next breath, asking her readers to come over here and tell you to fuck off.


  40. twinkie

    I think people way too fucking sensitive these days and I don’t know how or when it happened. I grew up Jehovah’s Witness and when people would tell me “Merry Christmas” all I would think in my tiny little head was, “Awww, how sweet. They just included me in their holiday sentiment that I don’t believe in”

    I didn’t get insulted. I didn’t feel weird. I didn’t feel anything but gratitude.

    Of course, these same people are the people that would probably get offeneded when I didn’t tell them “Bless You” when they sneezed. So what do I know? hee hee ho ho.

  41. Dawn

    I’m Jewish. I’m not religious at all, but I’m Jewish. I’m not offended by someone wishing me a Merry Christmas (not everyone knows that I’m Jewish, after all). I’m not offended by someone wishing me a Happy Kwanzaa (I’m not black, but I’m happy to be included in any holiday that starts with “Happy”). Hell, I’m not even offended by the photo of Hitler in your masthead.

    If someone can’t accept “Happy ___________” in the way that it was intended — as a holiday wish for happiness — then they’re just not a happy person, I suppose.


  42. Marney

    I am not a Christian and we do celebrate the holidays. Our holidays are about peace, love and family.

    I don’t care what you call it, a kind wish for the holidays is always welcome!

    Merry Hairy Fucking Ballsacks to You and Yours! :cock:

  43. Kris

    Well holy fuck. Just become a Kristian and worship me instead.

    What a load of garbage. What she probably doesn’t even realize is that Christianity has taken Pagan beliefs and adapted them to make it more appealing to get more people to convert to Christianity. (Check history. If you didn’t become Christian, you were dead.) And little unbeknownst to a LOT of Christians, the historians and people who studied the weather/sky/conditions/etc in that area for that timeframe even state that they day Christmas is celebrated (Dec. 24th/25th) could not have POSSIBLY been the day of year Jesus was born. They suspect it was either October or in the spring. (But then of course, someone will come back here and try to put me in my place with what’s been shoved down their throats all their life. Heh heh.)

    Honestly, everyone is free to believe what they want, and really, that’s fine. I don’t get offended until someone starts proselytizing to me and telling me I’m WRONG for believing (or not believing) what THEY believe. *snerk*

    Magic is magic, my friends. No matter how you look at it.

    Funny thing is, the way she’s acting is so very UN-Christian. . :poke: :deadhorse:

  44. Coal Miner's Granddaughter

    I celebrate Christmas. I have never been wished a Happy Hanukkah or Joyful Eid or Merry Solstice or whatever in my short 36 years. But? If someone did greet me with said salutations? It would not offend me. If I know someone who is of another faith, I will wish them specifically a Merry/Happy Holiday of their specific belief. Otherwise, I usually say, “Have a great holiday and New Year!”

    To get offended by all of this? What the fuck ever. Get offended by children in North Korea starving because their fucking government sells the US Aid food for cash. Get offended by teens beating up homeless people for kicks. Get offended by the horrible, offensive shit that harms our fellow man.

    Getting wished a Merry Christmas? Margalit? Get over your over-sensitive self.

  45. Maman

    I go with Happy Holidays on my cards… since almost everyone has a holiday going on that time of year. We have friends who are Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Jewish, Muslim and a variety of Christians…. Happy Holidays covers ALL of them!

    Naturally though my parents freak that I am leaving CHRIST out of Christmas.. so there is truly no winning… EVER.

  46. martymankins

    As a non-christian, I am never offended when someone wishes me a merry christmas. In fact, I’ll say that to others. It’s a holiday, regardless of the underlying definition of the holiday.

    I am bothered by people like Utah senator Chris Butters wanting to force people to say Merry Christmas instead of happy holidays. Let people say what they are going to say… it’s all good to me and I don’t think anyone should be offended by any holiday greeting. Just don’t force it for anyone…. and that applies to all sides and people.

  47. Avitable

    Amanda, a happy sentiment is a happy sentiment – exactly.

    Karen, environmentalists love Christmas cards that are made out of recycled seal blubber.

    Mamacita, that is exactly my point. And yes, you’d have to be pretty fucking crazy to think otherwise.

    Margalit, it doesn’t matter what the origins are, the reality of it is that it’s still offensive. It’s interesting how you have no reply to any of the points I made. Can you kindly tell me how you could get offended by someone wishing you well?

    Alex, I hope you’re on my list this year – are you still at the same address?

    Ginger, it would be nice, but until morons like her disappear, it will never happen.

    Chrissi, yeah, she just likes to start shit and then can never back it up. Enjoy your Floridian Christmas!

    Rebturtle, I find those billboards annoying, too.

    Dan, aww, too bad. I was hoping I’d get to see cranky-ass Dan in action!

    Rachel, making people celebrate Christmas is definitely rude. Wishing them a merry one is simply a courtesy.

    Bondefabulous, well, Margalit wouldn’t want you to accompany her because she’d probably be offended.

    BorysSNORC, Happy Monday!

    Jennifer, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t even think about it until I’m informed that it’s offensive. Who puts that much thought into it?

    Kiefer and Emo, good job, both of you.

    Hello, yeah, that made me laugh, too.

    Kaila, Season’s Greetings!

    Kapgar, some people just have a massive stick lodged directly in their anal cavity.

    Sue, there is definitely nothing wrong with wishing somebody well, no matter how childish or stupidly they react.

    Lestlie, it seems like most of her readers agree with me so far, which is amusing.

    Britt, haha, I stole your post!

    Dave2, being nice trumps all.

    Em, you don’t celebrate any winter holiday at all? Solstice, Diwali, nothing?

    Cissa, that makes sense – happy holidays is just as nice as merry Christmas as well wishings.

    Grant, Happy Hannukwanzaramadamasux, fucker, to you too.

    RW, merry fucking Christmas!

    Squeaky, well, she also called me an Anti-Semite because I dared to call her obnoxious. Everything about her just bristles idiocy.

    Finn, good thinking!

    BE Earl, someone getting angry because they think Happy Holidays isn’t good enough is just as obnoxious.

    Willie G, bitch, indeed.

    Gina, how about Merry Titsmas? That one works, too.

    Janelle, Britt is wise beyond her years.

    NYCWD, Yule always reminds me of yule logs and that always reminds me of pooping.

    Sheila, okay, well that magnet is a bit pushy. But then again, so are you. πŸ˜€

    Robin, you’re just a Scrooge generally speaking, right.

    RW, Happy Quaker Day!

    Kat, well, true, but I was talking about in modern times.

    Keifer and Emo, this is controlled chaos, not anarchy.

    Jay, you don’t think “xtian” is offensive?

    Honeybell, that’s definitely what it is – she thrives on being offended by every imagined slight.

    Tug, exactly!

    BPR, does Christmas equal presents to your kids, too, or do they also learn about giving and charity?

    Bridget, this is why we should all move to Festivus.

    Patrick D, exactly.

    Sybil, if they got offended, they were idiots.

    PocketCT, I could go for some Pop Julius now.

    Faiqa, by the way, I’m offended you didn’t wish me a Happy Eid last Monday.

    Crys, hypocrisy rears its ugly disabled head!

    Twinkie, well, I see “Bless You” as more of an etiquette thing than a religious thing.

    Dawn, they’re like a Grinch, only stupider.

    Greg T, I don’t know if you want that “blaring” part, though.

    Marney, Merry Hairy Fucking Ballsacks to you, too!

    Kris, if I become a Kristian, do I get presents on December 25th, too?

    Maria, I’m going to start ending my comments on your blog with “have a blessed day” now.

    Heather, very good point. There’s so much to worry about and get offended about – pick something that actually matters!

    Maman, yeah, my parents insist on Merry Christmas because Happy Holidays is too secular for them.

    Britt, yeah, but I can’t belive you wrote “I hate Jews” on them, too.

    Marty, forcing “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays” is definitely just as offensive an action.

  48. Trukindog

    I’m kind of a Bah Humbugger (only because it’s become so commercialized) but when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays or whatever I simply return the sentiment out of courtesy & genuine hope that they enjoy their holiday whatever their belief

    Offended by it…how retarted!

    @Karen Sugarpants
    How can you thank someone you don’t believe exists? Not tryin to start trouble I just found it funny.:lmao:

  49. RW

    There is a wide area of agreement between theists and atheists, namely that all the problems of the world are caused by humans. The problem with theists and atheists is that “humans” often means “anybody but me.”

    I’m a happy, sappy little progressive Xtian who believes that the metaphor of Xtianity is twofold. First, that everybody gets another chance and Second, that I shouldn’t be so stuck on myself that I go around taking offense over things that are said to me whether they were meant to hurt or not.

    But then, we’re all still waiting for someone to practice authentic Xtianity because, speaking as an Xtian, even I haven’t seen any good examples of it being done in history. Killing or marginalizing or hurting or insulting or jailing people who aren’t Xtian is hypocrisy. So is it any wonder people look at us and go “yeah, you guys are pretty fucked right there.”? I don’t think so.

    Introspection and self-criticism aren’t luxuries we pull out of our ass when we’re comfortable enough everywhere else in our lives. They bare part of the journey. I don’t know any true Xtians, but I’ll trust the ones who are actually trying to be one. That’s what I aspire to.

    And merry fucking Xmas to you too!

  50. Lexi

    This is the stupidest thing EVER to be offended by. You should feel special for being included on someone’s Christmas card list to begin with. Sheesh.

    This makes me sorta’ glad I’m too lazy and/or broke to send cards in the first place.

  51. Jay

    Also, I sent “Happy Hanukkah” cards to my Jewish friends and “Merry Christmas” cards to my friends who celebrate Christmas.

    Does this make me overly politically correct?

  52. Ms Batman

    I am actually more offended that wishing Someone a Merry Christmas has become taboo and that it is now somehow wrong. When exactly did our sphincters get so damn tight and our panties get into such a wad? Our children are exposed to more sex and violence than we ever were and that’s not offensive but wishing someone a Merry Christmas is? Where the hell did we go wrong?

  53. Hilly

    I don’t want to get into a big thing but here goes…this is the same person who said that all Californians could “rot in peace” over at Dave’s blog, regarding reactions to Proposition 8. I found her comment there to be completely offensive and necessary. I also find using the term “Xtian” to be the same exact level of offensiveness.

    You want your Jewish views respected? Respect those of us that are Christian and have Christian beliefs about this time of year.

    That being said, the world is way too overly sensitive about these things. For craps sake, Shiny is singing a Christmas song with me for Neil’s online concert. Shiny also offered to do it when I said I needed a male voice. I’m just sayin…

  54. shiny

    The replies here have become quite predictable:

    (1) A disagreement occurs re: the appropriateness of sending Christmas cards to people who are not Jewish.
    (2) It escalates into name-calling.
    (3) Avitable writes a post about this person and her views about how she finds Christmas cards and Christmas greetings offensive as someone not-Jewish.

    And — of course

    (4) Almost all get their digs in by wishing her a Merry Christmas and mentioning Jesus. Just to exacerbate the situation.

    Which is why I’ve penned the following:


    Dear Mr. Avitable:

    I wanted to state for the record that I’m very offended when your female readers bare their breasts and post tit pics to the comments of your blog. The fact that you feel that this is acceptable behavior disgusts me.

    You may feel that, perhaps, this is YOUR blog and you can do whatever YOU want. But I have the right to feel that you’re a loathsome cockroach — encouraging decadence in a degrading, filthy manner as you often do. I can hardly bear to even VIEW your blog, knowing that yet another one of these vile images might be suggested and might show up, you disgusting, disgusting, anti-everything decent man.

    You dick.

    So — be warned: if your readers post any of these awful topless photos of themselves on your blog, I’ll be extremely offended. Very, very, very, very, offended. And you suck.

    — Shiny

    PS — You know those boob pictures where it’s kind of a teasing effect where the bra is mostly undone so you can see lots of nipple? I hate those,too. Especially when the bra is red. And lacey. So don’t you dare. Fucking perv…

  55. Hilly

    Also, historical value of using Xtian versus Christian aside, we live in a society where we call people Xtina instead of Christina. So when I see Xtian, I think there’s a genie in a bottle somewhere just waiting to grant three Christmas wishes.


  56. Princess of the Universe

    I think offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder: some find Xtian to be offensive, some don’t. Some Find “Merry Christmas” offensive- some don’t.

    I think it’s what you do with you’re “offendedness” that counts. I think people need to ask themselves whether offense was meant.

    Are people going out of their way to be culturally insensitive, or are they simply trying to wish you well?

    There are so many appalling things in the world- I really think those who get upset over X’s or well-wishes need to give their heads a shake. I mean really, is it worth getting all worked up over?

    I agree with everyone who said that they way of the world now is to act like a victim and look for someone to get angry with. Really people- where are your priorities??

  57. Kailyn

    I had to think about this one a bit. I generally say Happy Holidays. Why? Because my family and friends cover the gamut of religious beliefs. When I give holiday greetings, it’s about the other person, not me.

    Feeling offended is a subjective thing. As such, I also don’t think it’s my place to tell another person what she or he is allowed to feel. I’m sorry but when one says,”How dare you feel offended,” that is what one is doing.

    Oh, and the US is 80%, not 90%, Christian.

  58. Avitable

    Gina, I think you should totally do that. It would be a hit!

    Britt, you’re just too uncouth for today’s world.

    Kris, sweet!

    Trukindog, exactly my point.

    Robin, I knew you would be!

    Jay, you do indeed get to decide. What do you think about people who purposely use the “X” because they’re trying to be offensive?

    RW, but she’s not a Christian. She’s an orthodox Jew who has been personally oppressed by millions of Christians, apparently.

    Faiqa, I celebrated MY Eid last Monday, so there.

    Lexi, exactly – if someone thought of you and sent you a card, that’s a NICE sentiment.

    Jay, no, it just makes you overly courteous. What if you only had Chanukah and Christmas cards and you had a friend whose religious denomination was unknown?

    Ms Batman, her sphincter is very tight, except on Thursdays, when she’s known as Anal Annie down on Third Street.

    Hilly, yeah, she’s a hypocrite above all other things.

    Shiny, I intercept those comments so as to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities.

    PotU, it’s like someone wakes up in the morning and says, “How can I get offended by some innocent act today?”

    TrishK, you too!

    NYCWD, I hate butt shots.

    Patrick D, corsets cover too much.

    Kailyn, I have no problem telling someone that they’re being unreasonable and irrational by getting offended at something innocuous.

    Karen, but millions of little Chinese kids labored for months to make those cards!

    Metalmom, indeed.

    Kat, go to and create an account with the same email address you use to comment.

  59. Selma

    I agree with you completely on this, Adam. I can’t get my head around someone being offended by this. I thought Aussie Santas not being allowed to say “HO” because of the sexual connotation was bad enough, but this takes the cake. Good grief.

  60. Avitable

    Selma, really? Is Australian following the Nanny State’s footsteps?

    Sheila, it’s a joke! See, we’re saying what we’re offended by in the hopes that people will post them to offend us. Didn’t you read Shiny’s comment?

  61. Giggle Pixie

    …wishing “Merry Christmas” to someone who is not Christian (or Xtian, as she put it) is offensive, arrogant, insensitive, and bad manners.

    So, do you suppose I would be unChristian if I told her to go fuck herself?


  62. RW

    I wasn’t talking about her, I don’t even know why her opinion is important to me. Oh wait, it isn’t.

    I was talking about Crischeeans in genrel. For what I could see Margawhatever is easily dismissed as a rube. I was aiming for a more important target… myself.

  63. Five Husbands

    Wow – I saw the tweets and thought – hmm – and then the posts (just now) and comments and I thought hmmm.

    Here is my 5 cents: I was raised Catholic, converted to Judaism out of faith not marriage and have evolved into a pretty spiritual person. I love Christmas time – I love the music and the lights and the fact that for a day everything slows down and people gather.

    I love getting mail, I love getting cards and I don’t care what they say. Especially this year, when things have been so hard and so difficult. Knowing that someone is thinking of me and took the time to send a little card would make me happy.

    Life is too short to fret over a greeting. To MissBrit – it is indicative of your kind heart that you even worried about offending someone.

    A card sent from a heart so kind could never offend.

  64. Lestlie

    Someone mentioned Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I have to sound off again:

    I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness, and even they teach their followers and the children to simply say, “Thank you” when someone wishes them a “Merry Christmas,” even though they don’t celebrate it. That’s all that’s really needed, a “Thank you.” You don’t even have to return the sentiment. Sheesh.

  65. Poppy

    I say “bless you” when people sneeze sometimes. I don’t believe in Christian-ness. My spirituality is tied to something much more compassionate in my mind’s eye. I am not offended when people say “Merry Christmas” to me even though I am not a practicing Christian, so why would I care about saying it back?

    I sometimes mutter lots of religious phrases. “If God wills it” is my favorite of them.

  66. Faiqa

    Lestlie: …simply say, “Thank you” when someone wishes them a “Merry Christmas,” even though they don’t celebrate it.

    That is *exceedingly* classy.

    Not being sarcastic. It really is very classy. That’s how I’ll teach my kids to respond. Instead of being all egocentric and saying, “well, I appreciate that, but I’m going to have to reject your goodwill b/c I don’t celebrate your holiday.”

  67. Brandon

    I’m a secular humanist and I’ve never been offended by someone wishing me a Merry Christmas. Why? Because to me, Christmas has lost most of it’s religious meaning anyway. My family has always celebrated a very secular version of Christmas. We don’t get down with Jesus or go to mass or any of that. Like lots of Americans, it’s just a celebration of family and giving and fun around our house. So when somebody says Merry Christmas, I don’t read anything more into that than them wishing me happiness during the holiday season no matter how we celebrate.

  68. Brandon

    And if someone wishes me a Happy Hanukkah or Kwanzaa or whatever, I’ll probably wish them a Happy whatever right back without even thinking about it. Like you said, all it is well wishing most of the time, not some attack on your beliefs.

    By the way, one thing I think is really funny is how super right wing conservatives and super left wing liberals are practically the same destructive people. I’m very, very liberal, but you have to draw a line somewhere so that you don’t become what you hate. By taking offense to Merry Christmas when it’s wished upon you, you basically have stepped over that line and are now no better than the super-conservatives.

  69. Laura

    Where I work there are many, many cultures and nationalities represented. And some folks take offense when things like “Merry Christmas” are wished to them when they “don’t believe”. That has always puzzled me because, like you, I have thought that any sincere well-wishes should be received in the spirit in which they were intended. There’s too little good intent in this world to take offense over something that’s meant to be positive.

  70. Robin

    Well damn, Adam…shit. πŸ™‚

    I so agree with you, though. I will take it a step further and say that most people don’t even celebrate the true meaning of christmas – it’s all about shopping and credit-card debt, drunken holiday-party hookups and family fist fights. And weight gain – did I say weight gain? And food food everywhere!

    So yeah….she needs to go sit the fuck down somewhere.

  71. Robin

    Oh yeah, I forgot. πŸ™‚

    The one thing I am offended at, however, is when people wish me Happy Kwanzaa, as if I am supposed to celebrate that because of my blackness…although I should, because that would mean extra presents. But whatever.

    And that doesn’t even really offend me that much…not enough to protest and shit. I just laugh and respond, “Happy Chinese New Year…”

    I’m done now, I promise.

  72. Jay

    Well obviously if they put the “X” there simply as an attempt to annoy or BE offensive then they are A-Holes.

    And if know that someone celebrates Christmas then they get a Christmas card. If I know that they don’t they get a different kind of “Happy Holidays” card. Or nothing.

    And what’s wrong with being “overly courteous?” It’s Christmas for fuck’s sake! haha

  73. Kat

    “Kat, go to and create an account with the same email address you use to comment.”
    Grassy ass Avi, I never even knew about that site.

    I also wanted to add that even though I am atheist and have been raising my 2 sons as atheists for the last 17 years now, I have taught them to be respectful to everyone no matter what our differences in life may be.
    If someone says Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, whatever, they (my sons) say thank you or they repeat the sentiment.

    People say it to be nice, to wish well upon others, so for Margalit to be all pissed off and offended, is truly a shame.

    I am a staunch atheist, I have no beliefs in any god(s). I got very upset a few days ago when someone mentioned that they were praying for me to find god for the sake of my son’s souls, so that they can go to heaven when they die, but I kept my offense to myself.
    I know that the people just mean me well, they are living their lives as they see fit to live them within their beliefs, and who am I to tell them that their prayers are offensive to me?

    I take it all as the person meaning well, wishing me well, and so anyone who takes offense or says that Merry Christmas is offensive, is really an idiot, and I feel sorry for them.
    There’s so little good left in this world, people are so unkind to each other, so wishing someone a Merry Christmas is a bright spot for us all in this rude way of life we have all become accustomed to.

  74. rebturtle

    Damn you fuckers. You made me learn something! I just thought “Xmas” was the hip way to abbreviate so we could fit more meaningless sentiment in our “holiday” cards. Now that it has a real meaning, it’s lost all of its allure…. (but I’m still gonna use it because I’m lazy and it saves me time!)

  75. Crystal

    Some people really need to get the stick out of their asses. I’m pagan and do the Yule thing privately while the rest of the family does Christmas. I have a tree, I wish people merry Christmas, exchange presents with the folks at work. We all have a grand old time swapping gifts – the tattooed pagan, the Jewish boss, the agnostic tree-hugging hippy and the rest of the Christian crew. No one gives a shit what anyone celebrates.

    Oh, and to complete the offensiveness of this post, I submit a titty shot of me in a shiny black corset. Merry Christmas and happy fucking everything :sexytime:

  76. Stephanie


    Are people REALLY this bored that they have to be pissed off when someone wishes them a Happy or Merry anything? I’m a Christian, but I have several clients of other faiths, and no matter what they wish me, I accept it in the manner in which I believe it was intended…which was to say something nice and wish me happiness.

    Lighten up, asshat.I need to pay attention to Twitter more.

    Clearly, she’s retarded.

  77. Zom

    Here’s the comment I left on her page just in case she deletes it …

    Zom said…
    Merry Christmas! you miserable, selfish hag. I hope your menorah tips over and burns down the pedestal you’ve put yourself on. It’s all about YOU YOU YOU. How dare you deny someone the pleasure of wishing you well, no matter how it’s worded. So here’s a big, hearty “FUCK YOU TOO”.
    Have a nice day! (I didn’t know how to say that in Hebrew, so I hope that works)

    8/12/08 10:11 PM

  78. Clayton

    We always made Fried matza on Christmas morning before opening presents and … our daughter’s Hebrew name is Margalit and… the only people I know of that find any holiday greeting offensive are Jehovas Witnesses, but that’s mostly if you know them, work with them and already know that about them and they’ve warned you.

  79. Clayton

    I think its okay to be offended in context. So, for instance, if you walked into a synagogue and wished everyone Merry Christmas, it would be a little awkward. Likewise, Showing up for a Friday night Catholic service and wishing everyone Shabbat Shalom, would be awkward too. But agreed, Merry Christmas, is supported by the holiday

    Here is an unrelated article about Religous foundations in our country:

  80. shiny

    @Clayton — being a Jewish resident of Virginia myself, I love the Reform Judaism magazine cover! (see his link above for a picture.) Now — I just have to find my way to an establishment where I can buy a copy…

  81. Suebob

    Yeah, I have these (by marriage) family members that are all proud of themselves when they snarl “No, Merry Christmas” at people who wish them “Happy Holidays.” It’s like they think they are the true defenders of the faith or something.

    All the shitty shitheads who do this kind of shit are people who just like to make something from nothing, and I wish they would all grow up. If your faith isn’t strong enough to withstand being given the wrong holiday greeting, what kind of faith is it?

  82. jester

    Here’s what I left over HRH’s site today:

    I’m an atheist who pretty much considers the following of any religion at all a symptom of mental defect.

    I doubt that every person on the planet that might have my address on their “Holiday” list knows my particular religious leanings.

    That being said, when I receive a $2 reminder of the rest of the world’s inability to develop their own reason and moral code in the mail, I recycle it and think “How nice of my insurance agent to think of me for the holiday.”

    But then again, I’m not a self-righteous hyper-sensitive harpy who needs the rest of the world to acknowledge her oh-so-oppressed minority status instead of sending a retaliatory box of stale matzoh balls to the insensitive bitch who dared wish me a Merry Christmas.

  83. Jamie

    ok, i’m not christian, i’m not jewish, i’m not even a muslim, i’m pagan through and through, and so is my husband and so are my kids, and well, my brother and his family are too…though my sis is christian, and so is my mom (i think)…anyway…i don’t say “merry christmas” because i’m not christian, however i don’t take offense when someone says it to me, i don’t send out christmas cards with christian symbolism on them, however i’m not offended when i receive those cards…i don’t even wrap presents with christian themes on them, again, it doesn’t bother me when i receive gifts wrapped in that manner…everyone lives their lives as they feel best for them, that includes their religiosity (yeah, it’s a word, though it might be spelled wrong)….i do think that going ballistic about someone wishing you “merry christmas” when you aren’t christian is silly…it seems to speak that you (the ballistic one) is so close minded (though with claims otherwise) that you don’t realize that the ENTIRE WORLD is FULL of PEOPLE NOT LIKE YOU…and they don’t know just by looking at you that you are not of their religion or belief…are we now supposed to go around and say “i’m sorry, are you christian? if so, merry christmas” how STUPID is that!

  84. Jack

    I think that the world would be better if we just skipped the holiday season. It is overdone, tedious and a general waste of time and money.

    But I must admit that I rather enjoy listening to Bill O’Reilly and all the others who carp about the fake war on Christmas.

    Happy Holidays is a perfectly appropriate greeting. It is so generic, just representative of what has happened to the “holiday season.”

  85. SciFi Dad

    I saw this last night but wanted to be (semi) coherent when I commented.

    First, I want to echo your sentiments (later well-articulated by Britt) that if I received an offer to participate in Eid or Chanukah or Diwali that I would be honoured to be included, not offended or preached to.

    I also think that there is nothing wrong with saying Merry Christmas.

    However, I understand where the anti-Christian holiday sentiment is coming from. For years, Christianity has sought to convert as many heathens (non-Christians) as possible, often times using tactics far less than “Christian” (don’t get me started on the Salvation Army… “you can have this food, but only if you listen to me jabber about Jesus first”). Christianity, while not the only intolerant religion, is seen as having the deepest history of intolerance and aggressive conversion methods. That’s what we’re dealing with, at least underneath the surface.

  86. Tiffany

    It doesn’t make me angry to have someone wish me any holiday greeting. It makes me smile knowing they wish me warm fuzzies, no matter what my holiday spirit entails. What DOES piss me off is people who get pissed off when I choose to say “Happy Holidays”. If I choose to say Happy Holidays during a season when many faiths celebrate something, they just say “thanks” and move on. Don’t try to start a fight in Target over how I’m taking Christ out of Christmas or I’ll call you a twat and tell you I’m Jewish… which you are and I’m not.

  87. Tracy

    So, is everyone supposed to go out and buy an assortment of Christmas cards for various friends and their religions???

    If my friends and family don’t like my cutesy little high heeled Christmas stocking cards that I am sending out, eventually, screw them.

    I am NOT religious in any sense of the word. AT ALL. EVER. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

    Am I offended when a religious friend or family member sends me a card with the baby Jesus on the front with the three kings or whatever the hell they are?? NO. Do I think they are cramming their beliefs down my throat?? NO. I think they bought a box of cards and I was lucky to get one.

    I don’t buy cards based on other’s beliefs and I don’t expect others to either.

    I buy them based on MY beliefs. And this year I beliefs (LOL!) that the Stocking Shoes are hawt…

    Only cowards close their comments and blame others.

  88. Jack

    SciFi Dad is right about some of the anger. There is a nasty history of persecution and targeting for conversion that exists. It can get old to have to put up with all of the missionary bullshit. If you are not among the people being targeted you probably are less aware of how often it takes place.

    I used to get far more irritated by all of this. After a while I just wrote it off to ignorance.

    I have more important things to worry about than what kind of cards are being sent to me.

  89. liquid

    sometimes it seems like when things become too mundane or uneventful, crap people have to make grief for themselves and others.

    they suffer from some kind of negative attention deficit disorder

    it’s sooo surprising that she has so few readers, with such a terrible attitude.

    listen to MY feelings, respect MY feelings, consider MY feelings..meanwhile fuck you and yours because i couldn’t be bothered.

    oh, and if you don’t agree with what i have to say, and happen to put forth a few good points?
    you’re most likely white trash and have a small penis.

  90. NYCWD

    It’s sad that blogger couldn’t follow their own comment policy.

    Personally, I think White Trash everywhere should be offended that I was lumped into their category. I’m below even their standards.

  91. Sue

    I found it hilarious when she lumped Watchdog in with her final rant. She accused him of not reading the post… but he quoted her. She accused him of calling her names… he did no such thing. It’s like she recognized a differing opinion and stopped reading it out of fear that he might, you know, be RIGHT. The truth hurts. He made excellent points. It’s not that she’s Jewish and oppressed that makes her so difficult, but that she’s extremely close-minded.

    And you know the kicker? It’s all over a Fucking Christmas Card. Damn. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

  92. Kentucky Girl

    She’s always been a stupid cunt. Since forever that I’ve seen her blog on the interwebz.

    My favorite line on her blog about “the incident”? This one:

    I’m in a minority religion that has been a victim of vicious hatred by Christians since the beginning of Christianity.

    Oh REAAAAAALLY? Funny enough. I grew up in a Christian home. We never hated any Jewish people in fact…the whole Christmas thing? We’re celebrating a JEWISH PERSON’S BIRTH for fuck’s sake. How ignorant of her.

    I mean, okay she doesn’t want to have a Christmas card…for fuck’s sake, just say, “Thanks but no thanks. I don’t celebrate it.” That would be like me getting offended if you offered me a banana creme pie because I’m allergic. Nay, I would say, thank you for the offer but I politely decline.

  93. Willie G

    The fearful mob gathered at the town center, whipped into a frenzy by the continuing cries of the unknown. “We must kill the beast!” “Grind it’s bones to dust!” “Obliterate it from the earth lest it destroy us!!” “Death to the monster, Death to the monster” “Die you foul wench that dares to challenge our fare town!!”.

    The mob gathered it’s armament. Sticks, stones, pitchforks. The blaze of torches rendered the dark of night a putrid glow, lighting the way to evil plans. Step upon step the mob marched the streets in search of the vile beast. The monster must die this very night.


  94. Beth

    Am I missing anything? Is there a good reason for a non-Christian to be offended by a “Merry Christmas” or a non-Jew to be offended by a “Happy Chanukah” or anything like that?

    Jews are forbidden from celebrating holidays of foreign religions. While Christian theology permits Christians to observe Jewish holidays, the reverse is not true.

    For American Jews, Christmas wishes carry with them a whole history of oppression, even though most of the wishers do not have that in mind specifically. American Christians, not living as a minority in American culture, do not experience the loaded nature with reciprocal greetings.

    In December in America, media and businesses reference Christmas as if everyone celebrates it. It can get a little tiring for Jews.

    Hope this helps.

  95. NYCWD

    For American Jews, Christmas wishes carry with them a whole history of oppression, even though most of the wishers do not have that in mind specifically.

    @Beth– Out of curiosity, could you please give some examples of this history of oppression against American Jews by American Christians?

  96. maggie, dammit

    Ummm….so, I’m intimidated because I’m comment #2343, but I’m encouraged because you (Avitable) are the comment directly above mine. Which tells me you’re still listening. I’m not gonna read all the comments above mine, so forgive me if I’m beating a dead horse or being redundant in any way.

    ::deep breath::

    I don’t know this Margalit person, but I do know this: people in the majority often misunderstand people in the minority. They just don’t get it. They can’t see. There’s a lot they take for granted. It doesn’t make them bad, or inconsiderate, it’s just… not apples to apples — but the person in the majority almost always thinks it is. Any time you have an imbalance of power, you’ll have people who can’t see eye to eye. Because it’s not about sentiment, it’s about PRESUMPTION. Presuming to know what I think or feel is what pisses me off, not the sentiment itself — and that probably pisses a lot of minority Americans off, too. (I probably have this perspective because I have a Jewish father and a Christian mother. I’m sensitive to things other people might not be sensitive to.)

    WITH THAT SAID, I think the most important thing behind words is intention. I am not a big fan of political correctness.

    If someone is being kind to you, be kind back. It’s that simple.

    You make excellent points about well wishers and holiday spirit. I don’t care about theology. In yoga, you end each session with Namaste (the light/soul in me recognizes the light/soul in you.) That’s what it’s all about.


    (If this comment made no sense, I apologize. I actually wrote it twice, and it was eaten both times. The fact that I came back for a third try despite my FUCKINGPISSEDOFFEDNESS AT WORDPRESS is a tribute to this post, my friend.)

  97. Jack

    @Beth- Out of curiosity, could you please give some examples of this history of oppression against American Jews by American Christians?

    There were country clubs that wouldn’t accept Jews. Neighborhoods that Jews couldn’t live in. The KKK had us on their list, burned down some synagogues and committed numerous acts of antisemitism.

    There are all sorts of stories that can be told about attacks on Jews that by Christians in which we were accused of killing your god.

    In short we had a lot of the same shit flung at us that other groups have had here. I have had a couple of antisemitic incidents.

    Most of these things no longer happen so the trouble is not what it used to be. But you tend to remember crap like this.

  98. Sue

    I’ve been looking through her archives… I found the “what about me?” post where she’s JEALOUS of people who have CANCER. Her attitude has a lot to do with that. haha. It amuses me to no end to see how self-centered she is and she can’t figure out why people don’t like her. haha. Gee, I wonder.

  99. NYCWD

    @Jack– Thanks for your response to my question, and for the admission that “In short we had a lot of the same shit flung at us that other groups have had here… Most of these things no longer happen so the trouble is not what it used to be.”

    I agree that there is definitely more acceptance of diversity, but that sort of thing does not happen by accident. It happens by taking a moment to actually look at the issue from the other person’s point of view and understanding their intent before slapping the “offensive” label onto it.

    To do so, with little or no regard for the other person’s perspective, is offensive in itself and will only serve to alienate instead of unite.

  100. Mrs. Kitty

    It’s people like this that really piss me off. She is exactly the sort of person that has everybody scared (and at some work/school places not allowed) to wish someone a Merry Christmas. How ridiculous is that?!?!

    To wish good things for others…. OH NO! What could our world turn into if we let people just rampantly wish for others to enjoy a holiday and good cheer???

    And for her to call us Xtians, is beyond offensive. That is “X”ing out Christ.

    She sounds miserable.

  101. Jack

    @NWCYD, It happens by taking a moment to actually look at the issue from the other person’s point of view and understanding their intent before slapping the “offensive” label onto it.

    To do so, with little or no regard for the other person’s perspective, is offensive in itself and will only serve to alienate instead of unite.

    Religion is a funny issue. I am a happy Jewish kid. Born and raised that way, I have chosen to stay Jewish because I believe in my mythology and don’t buy the stuff the others peddle.

    But I won’t say that at times it is not tedious to listen to people whine about a fake war on christmas. Most of you haven’t the foggiest idea what it is like to be targeted.

    You know millions of dollars are spent funding missionary groups whose sole purpose is to go out and spread the word. It is a bit offensive at times to have to deal with that sort of arrogance. The suggestion that if I don’t believe as they do I am going to burn in hell. Some might even say that they are using terror tactics to get people to convert.

    I am sure that most of them mean well and they aren’t trying to be irritating or offensive. But they are.

    More to the point, I don’t get too excited about people wishing me a merry christmas. I think that most of them are good people just sending good wishes. But they shouldn’t get upset when I say happy holidays in return.

    I am not convinced that Jesus existed and if he did I am certain that he was just a man. So why would I tell someone otherwise. When I say happy holidays I am wishing them well.

    Truth is that if I was christian I’d be mad as hell about how my holiday was being treated. The commercial aspect of this time of year is appalling.

    If I had my druthers we’d keep religion out of the press/public and just let it be the private and personal matter that it should be.

    It’d sure cut down on the ridiculous fights that we have this time of year.

  102. NYCWD

    @Jack I agree, religion is a funny issue. I’m not going to bother going into my religious pedigree because I continue to believe this issue is not about religion at all but rather about perspective as I stated previously, and needless to say I am less happy than you are about being a member of The Tribe.

    I do know that millions of dollars are spent by private Christian groups funding missionaries who’s sole purpose is to convert people to Christianity. Missionary work is an ongoing self-preservation mechanic from the early days when persecution was highest against Christianity.

    I also know that millions of dollars are spent by the US Government in material and financial aid to Israel. The Jewish State is a self-preservation establishment from the most modern and horrific persecution against Judaism.

    I have no problem with either… because as I originally stated, this isn’t about religion but rather it is about perspective and the ability to understand intent.

  103. Jack

    There is no connection between any funding that Israel receives from the US and this particular issue.

    I follow what you’re saying about perspective and intent. I suspect that ultimately we’d find common ground here.

    We could apply the same standards to people who say that they are offended by Xtian, or Xmas.

    Should people really be offended by those abbreviations if the intent was not to offend?

  104. Sue

    (Jack said)”Should people really be offended by those abbreviations if the intent was not to offend?”

    Replace “those abbreviations” with “wishing somebody a Merry Christmas” and I think we’ve found the heart of the matter right there.

  105. NYCWD

    @ Jack– Whether or not there is a connection with this issue and the funding of Israel by the United States is a matter of perspective… specifically since you were the one who brought up privately funded missionaries. One is a mechanic and the other is an establishment for self-preservation… but they both share the same goal.

    If you truly do understand what I am saying about perspective and intent, then it saddens me that you say we will ultimately find common ground… because that means that we, as in you and I, have not for reasons beyond my comprehension.

    As for your comparison, well, what Sue said. It depends again on the intent and perspective.

  106. Jack

    Whether or not there is a connection with this issue and the funding of Israel by the United States is a matter of perspective… specifically since you were the one who brought up privately funded missionaries.

    One is federally funded and the other is private. There is a huge distinction between the two. But that is still neither here nor there.

    If you truly do understand what I am saying about perspective and intent, then it saddens me that you say we will ultimately find common ground… because that means that we, as in you and I, have not for reasons beyond my comprehension.

    There may be a couple of minor differences, but I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

    These sorts of discussions are occasionally interesting, but overall they are kind of silly. People can be offended by whatever they want to be offended by.

    Ultimately the question is whether they take action on it or if they let it ride.

    Makes for good blog fodder.

  107. NYCWD

    One is federally funded and the other is private. There is a huge distinction between the two.

    The funding is different, one is funded by taxpayer dollars from a country where the “majority religion” (according to the comments in this post) is not being preserved by it and the other is private monies raised by the religion it is preserving. Still, in essence, they serve the same purpose.

    People can be offended by whatever they want to be offended by.

    Sure they can. People can be offended by whatever they want to be offended by and not take into consideration someone else’s perspective or intent… but then they should not expect to thrive in a community that is globalizing with the rest of the world.

    Ultimately the question is whether they take action on it or if they let it ride.

    Another very valid point. Words are action, whether spoken or blogged.

    And yes… it is quite good blog fodder.

  108. FattyLumpa

    Margalit says: “It’s a shame to know that you’re not only an insensitive boob who cares more about yourself than the people you want to gift with a card…”

    And *I* say: It’s a shame to know that Margalit is only an insensitive boob who cares more about herself than the people who want to gift her with a card.

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