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Fatty, fatty, two by four

First, some background:

1.  Holly uses Jill’s blog to rant in a poorly-written post about fat people in scooters at Disney. It’s not funny, it misses the mark, and the comments go from cruel to butt-hurt to insane.

2.  Jenny takes umbrage with the sentiments.

3.  So does Erin.

Now, my take:

If you’re contemplating going to a theme park for a day of rides and happiness and fun, but every time you stand up you hear a faint sound of your ankles crying in terror, stay the fuck home.

Yes, people of all sizes on scooters can be annoying at Disney, but so are double and triple scooters and kids on leashes who run across the entire walkway and people who don’t know how to walk in a straight line and parents who only have an infant and no other children but drag their crying fucking baby to the park and guests who don’t understand what a shower or deodorant means and people who stop abruptly without consideration of another fucking soul on Earth.

You get over it, because you’re there to have fun, not complain and bitch at every turn.   And I know that whenever I see someone in a scooter, I usually assume that they have a legitimate reason for it.

BUT.  When I see someone topping the scale at 400-600 pounds using the park as their own personal racing arena, ignorant of the fact that other people are trying to walk, clasping their ice cream or turkey leg or kettle corn in one hand, I’m more than annoyed.  I’m disgruntled.

Obesity is an epidemic in our society, and there are different reasons for it.  Some are medical, but most are based on the simple fact that you are eating more calories than you are burning.  I know this, because I was extremely obese, weighing 420 pounds, and now I’m just merely obese, hovering around 290.  And when I ate less than I burned, I lost weight.  It’s like fucking magic.

I still went to theme parks.  And I couldn’t walk through a turnstile or go on most of the rides and I was out of breath and my back hurt and I sweated more than any human being should sweat.  I can’t even imagine reaching a point where I needed a scooter.

Some people might argue that the grossly obese need to use scooters so that they don’t become hermits and so that they can experience the world.  Fuck that.  If you’re so fucking fat that you can’t move on your own, we need to stop helping you feel like that’s okay and that’s normal.  Get to a doctor.  Have surgery.  Waste away in bed.  Anything is better than feeling like it’s okay to weigh 600 pounds and only be able to wash yourself with a rag on a stick.  It’s NOT okay.  Stay the fuck out of theme parks, stay the fuck off of the sidewalk on your little fucking Rascal scooter, and do something about it.

And if you read this post and you want to comment that you’re offended, think about if for a second.  Do you have a weight problem?  That’s okay – I do, too.  Lots of people do.  I’m not talking about you.  Do you use a scooter for medical reasons?  That’s okay – I’m not talking about you.  Do you weigh over 500 pounds and use a scooter because you’re a fat fuck who can’t move on your own?  I am talking about you.  You may be as offended as you want.

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131 Replies to “Fatty, fatty, two by four”

  1. Loukia

    Love your post on this. I hate being scared to say things because other people will get offended, so most of the time, I don’t truly express myself on my blog. Well, I’m always honest, I just don’t alway say everything on my mind.
    Once, I tweeted how the weather was schizophrenic, because in one day it went from hot to cold to rainy to sunny, and I had people mad at me, because apparently I was making of poeple with mental health issues. Fuck that.
    Anyway, I get annoyed at SO many different types of people, I cold write a novel about it. What you said, times two. Fuck.

  2. kate

    There are enough people whose mobility provides an issue at a place like this, people who use a scooter because they don’t want to walk worry me. Does walking cause you debilitating pain? Then please, use one. But, does walking cause you to be out of breath and uncomfortable because you started using a scooter and stopped walking? Then think twice.

    My mother has bad hips and knees. She used to be on her feet 8 hours a day. Her workplace closed, and she stayed at home, not working. She walked around the house only. At stores, she got into the scooter. She rides the carts because she got into them one day and realized it’s easier. So now, instead of trying to walk a little at a time, she always picked the riding cart. Now, even at home, she can barely move without a walker.

  3. Zoeyjane

    I’ve already shared my POV about the subject. Having been at both ends of the weight spectrum in my life, I have a hard time with the concept of someone choosing to to remain obese, and then use a scooter – I’m assuming, one provided by the park, and therefore of limited supply – simply not to walk because they may be uncomfortable while doing it. Baby steps, you know? Walk to the fridge, then down the driveway, then make it around the block, then up a hill, etc. etc. When one can walk for three hours in the blazing sun, they’re ready for a theme park. I think. But that’s only meant in the context of laziness, not those who may have a real, medically-based reason for needing a scooter to help them move from point a to b.

    That being said, my mother and I were chatting a few months ago about how she had just moved, so she was only about 20 minutes from where she works and I threw out that she could walk! because every conversation we’ve had (all nine of them) in the past three years (when I ended the formal estrangement and instituted a facebook-based non-estrangement clause) has at some point involved her mentioning her weight. She retorted that she couldn’t walk to work; her asthma and back pains would be too severe. They’d come about from years of her driving everywhere and not exercising AT ALL.

    This shit blows my mind, dude. I mean, I live in my neighbourhood specifically because I don’t have to drive anywhere – it’s all within 40 minutes’ walking distance. Worst case scenario and I have to go further, I can take a bus and their time I have to leave by designates how far I walk first before getting on one. My kid was doing it at two, tromping up hills to downtown Vancouver, strolling the city core for hours, and then walking home. It’s not about weight, it’s about practice…

    and this isn’t about judging, it’s about lack of understanding. Isn’t the point of living to not be trapped into specific methods of transport if you don’t need to be, or by weight that’s enclosing on your vital organs, if you don’t need to be, or about being in the sunshine, the rain and the snow, as long as you’re warm/cool/dry enough and capable of enjoying the scenery? I don’t understand choosing immobility, which may lead to required immobility, because it’s easier.

    I’m still thrown that my mother, after me trying to show her that she could work her way up to it, refused to even try parking five minutes from work and walking that far.

      • Zoeyjane

        @Avitable, Remember that post that was written about fat-acceptance? That gets brought to mind every time that there’s a mass-outrage against anti-obesity writing.

        Here’s the thing… I think it’s mostly about separatism, what makes it wrong to tell someone whether they should ride a scooter or not, or be allowed to buy the same chips as the 5’9″ 110lbs. woman is. There is (almost always) an us vs. them mentality, and as it seems to be evolving into more severe, scary manifestations in North America, it becomes more Wrong to practice an any level, even if the un-practice is actually enabling.


        Karen brought up addictions and addictive-based disorders. While I agree with her on a certain level because I don’t feel right judging people for self-created problems (but I still do. I have no patience for someone who can recognize a problem, complain about it, and do absolutely fucking nothing but continue to speak about how much it makes their life suck), replace the word ‘heroin’ with ‘fat’ in any of these shit-disturbing posts and I’d wager that 99% of the support would be AGAINST people on heroin, period. There would be a mass stereotyping of their users’ lives, lifestyles, practices, and so on, seen only as: (maybe, if they’re lucky) pitiable, dirty, potential thieves, untrustworthy, etc.

        But we seem to have lost the ability to not double-standard language, when the language applies only to us, our past, people we care about, or some visible (mostly) accepted portion of the population. I’ve got to wonder if the response in Holland would be similar.

        • Avitable

          @Zoeyjane, I’m okay with some degree of fat acceptance, but just like we as people are wont to do, we take it to the extreme. I think it’s okay to consider some of the BMI standards to be overly restrictive and to be proud of yourself if you’re healthy and don’t have a six pack.

          I agree with you if we made this into a discussion of heroin or meth users instead of people addicted to eating.

          • Zoeyjane

            @Karen Sugarpants, My point, though, was that it’s okay to tell a drug user that they should quit and if they don’t – they’re making a life decision that makes them deserved of lacklustre treatment. But to tell someone to lose (or gain) weight is a scenario that brings about the ‘who the hell do you think you are’ messages.

  4. Karin

    Amen and hallelujah! I have no problem at all with people who use scooters because they have mobility issues due to illness or injury, but the last time we were at Sea World I was almost run over by a horribly obese woman who raced her scooter right up to the bathroom, hopped off and sprinted in. If you can move like that, there is no excuse for you to be riding a scooter.

  5. Breigh

    I agree Adam. As you know I also have weight issues and even at my highest weight of just over 300 lbs (which was a LOT on my 5’3 frame) I never used a scooter. I also walked and go the sore back, sweated loads and suffered… but never reached the point of thinking I needed a scooter.

    The obesity problem isn’t nearly as bad here in the Netherlands but I do see people who are seriously overweight on those scooters sometimes. The majority of the people who use them here are seniors, but that’s where our handy bicycle paths come in, as that’s where the scooters go too.

    I’ve not been to a theme park here, nor have I ever been to Disney, so I assume that’s an entirely different world when it comes to these scooters. I think that I, like you, would find 1000 other things to get irritated by as well as the fatties on scooters. Especially the screaming, running etc children.

  6. B.E. Earl

    I really have no opinion on the subject. Everyone has their own shit to deal with, and I try not to push my shit onto their shit. It just becomes a bigger pile of shit.

    The only thing I wanted to say is that there is a lot going on Internet-wise that I have no clue about. Wow. Just wow.

  7. Grant

    231 comments for a post that’s already been removed. I wish I could write that poorly.

    Although I have to say that this reminds me of when I used to hang out with junkie strippers (and I actually did) and how they thought as long as they could point out somebody who shot more heroin than they did, that meant they did not have a problem. Usually when I see fatter people than me, I’m just glad not to join their ranks (although you still look better than me with your extra thirty pounds, you bastard). However, if they’re maliciously trying to ram people with their scooters or just epically ignorant of those around them, it should be legal to round them up and make them play demolition derby while laying bets on them.

  8. Blondefabulous

    Dude! I am a walking, talking fat chick! Got tired of it and found a sport where a big chick could excel and even get into shape at the same time. I’m still big, but I get off my ass 2x a week and hit someone while rolling by on 4×4’s!!

    Speak it , brother!

  9. gingermandy

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. The reason I hate Disney (well, first reason is that I’m a crabass so this is the second reason) is because at MGM there was a “lady” on a scooter in the bathroom stall beating the crap out of her 5 year old daughter because she peed her pants. I went and grabbed security because it freaked me the fuck out, so they questioned the lady, her 5 year old, and the lady’s twin sister (who wasn’t in a scooter) who also had a kid, and they said I was only accusing them of child abuse because they’re black and overweight. Um no, it’s because you’re beating the shit out of a 5 year old. So now I get bitter any time I think of Disney World.

    I can only imagine how debilitating and awful it must be to be morbidly obese, and I understand that a number of health conditions can cause it (my sister put on a ton of weight from various medications), but that doesn’t mean it’s OK to give up and “ride it out,” so to speak. Exercise is good and I couldn’t imagine how grossly sick I would feel if I stopped walking long distances on my own and just threw the towel in. I’d HAVE to try and do something about it and I can’t understand how someone could have no ambition whatsoever.

  10. Nicci Rae (aka miss zilch)

    Frack, I wanted to read that but it was taken down.

    I too get mad at those who abuse the system and make me, a fat person trying to not be a fat person, and others look like we are slobs and ignorant of the fact that there is a problem. It makes me even more pissed off when fat people do nothing at all to fix the problem. There are doctors and pills which can help and then there is good old fashion exercise.

    /Nicci, the fat chic in cardio class that everyone judges their performance by and who laughs at your skinny ass when you can’t complete the 55 minute cardio class like I can.
    (hmm, I feel a blog entry)

    • Avitable

      @Nicci Rae (aka miss zilch), that’s how I feel. I went the surgical route to help kick-start weight loss, so I’d never judge anyone who tried that. Just do something other than getting a fucking scooter because you can’t walk.

  11. Nicci Rae (aka miss zilch)

    And might I add, half of the people commenting on that blog post that is no longer are despicable. Especially this comment “I get so tired of seeing people on those scooters whose only disability seems to be that their kankles have swallowed their feet.” I want to smack her. Hard.

  12. Beth

    My mom’s best friend is seriously obese. She works at a daycare and doesn’t walk around with the kids – she just sits in a chair while they play. She always uses a scooter at Wal-Mart: always.

    My mom went to Wal-Mart the other day with my two little sisters, who are 3 and 4. She had seen Meg’s car in the parking lot and told the kids, “Watch out for Meg so I can say hi.”

    They circled the entire store twice and didn’t see a single person on a scooter. All of a sudden, my mom saw a woman who resembled her friend, but the woman was pushing a shopping cart.

    “Meg?” My mom called out.

    Sure enough, it was her friend. She was walking around the store.

    When my mom asked her about it, Meg said, “I’m tired of being fat.” She said she’s been watching the Biggest Loser and decided that if they can do it, she can too. She went to her doctor’s office and got weighed and came up with an exercise plan.

    She decided to stop using a scooter at the store and instead to walk. It takes her longer to shop and she has to stop for breaks, but she does it. Instead of getting McDonalds, she eats at Subway or goes home for soup. She bought an exercise tape and uses it several times a week. She can’t do many of the exercises but she tries.

    It’s been 2 months now, and she has lost close to 50 lbs.

    All that to say, if you set to your mind to it, you really can accomplish what you want. Most people don’t have the willpower/time to lose weight. Eating the right amount of calories takes self control, especially when the people around you are downing double portions. Finding the time to exercise when all you want to do is nap/read/work/whatever is hard, too!

    BTW, proud of you for your own weight loss. You’re awesome!

  13. thepsychobabble

    I love you dearly, and completely disagree. :p
    But. It’s too early in the morning to debate/argue. I haven’t even had any coffee yet.
    That and I’m pretty sure you could out-debate me with one-hand while being assaulted by rabid monkeys. So I’ll just leave it at, “I disagree.”

  14. Karen Sugarpants

    I absolutely agree that there is a huge problem in North America. I absolutely agree that people who choose scooters over walking because of their weight, without trying to do something about their weight, which (in my country) puts incredible strain on the medical system and my tax dollars, should take a good look at themselves and make the effort to get themselves healthier, or seek help to do so. I wholeheartedly agree with your premise.
    But this? “Stay the fuck out of theme parks, stay the fuck off of the sidewalk on your little fucking Rascal scooter, and do something about it.”
    Really? I can’t get behind that kind of hate. People who are that overweight are often that way because of underlying issues. I’m not talking medical – you already discounted medical problems. I’m talking mental. The same people you see on Hoarders or Intervention or Heavy. They have illness that cannot be seen – just like heart disease, lupus, and the like.
    I hate that society treats overweight people like garbage. No one should be made to feel that way. Ever. I’ve seen you support all races, all sexual orientations – why can’t you support all people?
    So while I agree with you that something needs to be done, I don’t agree that spewing this sort of hate does anything productive for the problem. Label it ‘tough love’ or ‘they need to hear this,’ but it isn’t compassionate or helpful.
    I know this because I’ve been obese. I’ve been overweight. I’ve been underweight. I’ve gone through anorexia and bulimia, and overeating as well. That kind of hate would never motivate me to get healthy, because no matter what I’ve weighed, I have enough respect for myself to tell anyone throwing that kind of hate at me, to go fuck themselves. So on behalf of all scooter-riding fat people everywhere, go fuck yourself.
    Those people have every right to go to the fucking theme parks, ride on the fucking sidewalk, and if you don’t like it, you need to look at yourself and ask yourself why you hate them so fucking much. Is it because you succeeded in losing all that weight? I mean, good for you, but don’t you think it would be more productive to reach out and tell others how you did it rather than this righteous attitude? No wonder people shut down so easily when they are in that desperate state. Just like drug addicts don’t like their life, hooked on substances that are killing them, obese people aren’t exactly kicking their heels up at the idea of riding a fucking scooter through a park like a fucking sideshow. No one WANTS to be that way. They would love a way out. But some people need help getting out of the holes they dug for themselves. Not everyone is as strong and motivated as you. Not everyone sees the light like you do. Since you’ve been there – maybe you could be a beacon instead of well, whatever this is.
    This isn’t you.

    • Avitable

      @Karen Sugarpants, it’s the sense of entitlement. It’s the fact that EVERY time I’ve seen someone that obese, they have fried food or something unhealthy in their hands while they drive their scooters. It’s the fact that they walk when it’s convenient for them to get a good seat somewhere or cut in line, but aren’t willing to walk otherwise.

      Being that heavy is not okay. I’ve always felt that way, even before I lost weight. We need to stop being so goddamn supportive of someone who has reached that point. All we are doing is helping someone perpetuate that behavior because there’s always a way for them to get fatter and lazier and still experience life. The tough love is telling them to stay the fuck home until they can walk through the park on their own.

      • Beth

        @Avitable, I agree, especially if you look at the opposite end of the spectrum. NOBODY has any issues telling an unhealthily thin person to eat more, but we get scared/nervous to tell a fat person to slow down.

        • Vita

          But equally you don’t see a lot of people telling thin people to “Stay the fuck out of theme parks, stay the fuck off of the sidewalk on your little fucking Rascal scooter, and do something about it.”

      • Lisa

        @Avitable, No. Just no. I love you, dude, but Karen’s right.

        What kind of sense of entitlement does it take to know better than another person what’s best for them? Why do we need to stop being supportive of people with a problem, just because that problem is that they’re fat? Should we also stop being supportive of boarders and addicts and the mentally ill? Or are those the socially acceptable ways of ruining your life and killing yourself with food isn’t so it’s ok to treat them as less than?

        I have run the gamut of the weight spectrum and I can tell you here and now that unless a serious illness steals my mobility I will never be one of those scooter riding fried food eating people because I won’t accept that life if it’s in my power to stop it. That’s just who I am. Does that mean I don’t accept it for someone else? It’s not my place to do that, and it’s not anyone else’s place. We all have our own brand of monkey on our back and there but for the grace of God go I.

        I abhor weakness, I really do. It’s an internal fight for me every time I hear someone close to me say they don’t exercise because it hurts. I want to tell them that it will eventually hurt less and tough it out, but I don’t live their life and I don’t have to walk in their shoes. I concentrate on me because that is where I can make change, that’s where I *should* make change, and maybe by being a role model I can foster change in others in a positive way instead of through derision.

        Like Karen I have always had a healthy measure of self-respect and the kind of thoughts here and on the other post would never have motivated me to make a change. In fact I gained more weight when my family pulled the “you’d be so pretty if you just lost weight” bullshit because I thought fuck you if you don’t like me fat. No, I am motivated by the success of others, like you, who have made big changes and have shown that it can be done. People in that situation don’t need tough love because I guarantee you they are already harder on themselves that you ever will be. They need guidance. They need support. They need to know that they worth the effort it’s going to take to make those seemingly impossible changes. Otherwise why would they? If the only message they receive is that they are less than everyone else because they are stuck in the cycle, why would they?

      • Lisa

        @Avitable, No. Just no. I love you, dude, but Karen’s right.

        What kind of sense of entitlement does it take to know better than another person what’s best for them? Why do we need to stop being supportive of people with a problem, just because that problem is that they’re fat? Should we also stop being supportive of boarders and addicts and the mentally ill? Or are those the socially acceptable ways of ruining your life and killing yourself with food isn’t so it’s ok to treat them as less than?

        I have run the gamut of the weight spectrum and I can tell you here and now that unless a serious illness steals my mobility I will never be one of those scooter riding fried food eating people because I won’t accept that life if it’s in my power to stop it. That’s just who I am. Does that mean I don’t accept it for someone else? It’s not my place to do that, and it’s not anyone else’s place. We all have our own brand of monkey on our back and there but for the grace of God go I.

        I abhor weakness, I really do. It’s an internal fight for me every time I hear someone close to me say they don’t exercise because it hurts. I want to tell them that it will eventually hurt less and tough it out, but I don’t live their life and I don’t have to walk in their shoes. I concentrate on me because that is where I can make change, that’s where I *should* make change, and maybe by being a role model I can foster change in others in a positive way instead of through derision.

        Like Karen I have always had a healthy measure of self-respect and the kind of thoughts here and on the other post would never have motivated me to make a change. In fact I gained more weight when my family pulled the “you’d be so pretty if you just lost weight” bullshit because I thought fuck you if you don’t like me fat. No, I am motivated by the success of others, like you, who have made big changes and have shown that it can be done. People in that situation don’t need tough love because I guarantee you they are already harder on themselves that you ever will be. They need guidance. They need support. They need to know that they worth the effort it’s going to take to make those seemingly impossible changes. Otherwise why would they? If the only message they receive is that they are less than everyone else because they are stuck in the cycle, why would they?

        • Avitable

          @Lisa, I believe that we coddle people too much, and in the long run it doesn’t help. I make a very important distinction between being fat or obese and reaching the point where you can’t function in life without other people. Those people have support. They have guidance. They don’t need to be trucking around Disney on scooters with corn dogs. That’s the wrong place to expect support.

      • Karen Sugarpants

        @Avitable, sense of entitlement? Uh, you’ve got it all wrong pal. Secondly, I already debunked your tough love stance.
        It is NEVER okay to comment this way on someone’s appearance. Not in Beth’s example either – telling a slim person to eat more is just as bad as telling a fat person to stop eating.
        I saw on Twitter that you said you would ask a heavy person in a scooter why they needed the scooter. Who the fuck do you think you are? I know we’re friends and all, but I really have to wonder what the hell you’re thinking with this attitude.

        • Avitable

          @Karen Sugarpants, I said on Twitter that if I was curious why someone was using a scooter, I would ask. I have the right to ask anyone in public anything I want. They don’t have to answer.

          And yes, a sense of entitlement. If you’d seen the type of people I’m talking about, you’d get what I mean, but I guess you haven’t.

        • Zoeyjane

          @Karen Sugarpants, but Karen, it’s a judgment call, right? I mean, it’s okay to judge celebrities, but not ‘real’ people… or at least, the mass population seems to think so. And more so, it’s perfectly okay to suggest that Taylor Swift, Megan Fox, Kelly Rippa, or, you know, half of Hollywood needs to gain ‘about another 10 pounds’ and then they’d be ‘way hotter’. Maybe you’re on a level above that, and if so, awesome, but you ARE a rarity.

          And it’s okay to say these things about those people (or people of their sizes), but it’s vile, hateful and morally-abject to say the opposite about their opposites.

          I’m not disagreeing with you – I think judgment sucks, though I admit that I engage in it – but I’m pointing out that there is an OBVIOUS dissonance in the world about it.

  15. Little Miss Sunshine State

    I want to take the morbidly obese people and introduce them to one of my favorite relatives. She has ridden a scooter for years, as a morbidly obese diabetic. After about 10 years of that nonsense, she developed gangrene in her foot and had to have it amputated. Now she’s on the scooter forever.

    I want to shake these people and ask them if they’ll enjoy their scooter after the doctors start cutting off body parts. I don’t think they deserve special treatment anywhere because they are too heavy to get up and walk.

    I earned a place on this soapbox for being a diabetic, arthritic (so bad I’ve had reconstructive foot surgery), formerly obese person who lost 60 pounds by getting off my ass and walking 10 miles a week. I plan to walk until I lose the last 20 pounds. {steps off the soapbox}

    • Avitable

      @sarah, they’re there. Having lived in Orlando for 27 years and been to theme parks at least 30-50 times, I can definitely tell you that they’re there. And it’s a different attitude than the people who have medical reasons to use a scooter – it’s this sloppy, disgusting sense of entitlement.

  16. Brittany

    “And when I ate less than I burned, I lost weight. It’s like fucking magic.” I love this line so much.

    I have a few relatives that are that heavy and use a scooter. I don’t understand why one would ever settle for that kind of life, but alas, it’s their decision.

  17. calliope

    This is truth.
    I pretty much agree with it.

    Obesity is not an excuse to use a scooter. It’s not really much of an excuse for anything really. I’ve been overweight for most of my adulthood and really, I can admit that much of it was due to not eating right and not exercising enough. Unless some chemical/hormonal imbalance or other physical affliction is the root of the obesity, it’s the obese person’s responsibility to do their best to live a healthier life style.

  18. Austin_Powers

    I totally agree, however I am the opposite. I am very small 5 foot 7 and 137 pounds soaking wet. Let’s just say I dislike with a passion people that can’t fit into on seat and there nastiness flows over into MY personal space. Then I Have a huge problem, why should I have to deal with your lazy fat ass? I shouldn’t fat ass should buy 2 tickets go 2 seats! Anyway America is the land of obese fat people it’s a shame us skinny folk are scared of you and the amount of food you eat in one day!

      • austin_Powers

        @Avitable, LOVE IT! The fact that airline seats “Are smaller than normal people” WTF kind of crack are you smoking? My ass and my GF’s ass fit more than nicely in our seats. As well as train/bus/car seats but what those are “made” smaller to right? The AVERAGE person in America is OBESE hence this post/rant. The seats are not made small your fat ass can’t stop eating so much so you gain weight its a real simple principle. BUT I guess fat ass people will always go out of the way to blame others for there problems, OH and your problem becomes mine when your fat spills into my seat.

        • Zoeyjane

          @austin_Powers, Actually, dude, when I flew to Chicago two years ago, not being a frequent flyer WHATSOEVER, I was surprised at how small the seats felt. I had maybe enough room to wedge my purse beside myself, and I’m an extremely thin person. Like, I’m half an inch shorter than you, and your 137lbs beat mine by 34. Gross, right? I mean, you must have some love handles, I don’t even want to know what your inner thighs must sound like when you walk, and god, I’ll bet your ass is riddled with cellulite.

          I don’t actually believe any of that because I actually regularly see naked a person my height who’s barely below your weight and it’s fantastic, but you know, even you can be looked at as disgusting when stereotypes are allowed to come out to play.

          You know who I wouldn’t sitting beside me? The person who feels that it’s okay to pointedly attack a person who’s admitted they’ve had a need to lose weight, are actually engaged in it, and who are speaking down about the practice of ‘blind acceptance’.

          Almost anyone can lose weight, but it’s pretty hard to stop being a a selfish, elitist asshole.

  19. Amanda

    While I don’t necessarily agree with the vitriol, I do agree that it’s a nuisance when people block the walkway with their scooters. It’s equally annoying to me as when kids are running all over the place like wild animals.

    • Avitable

      @Amanda, I don’t mind kids acting like kids and I don’t mind scooters being used for the right reasons, but I hate the people who use them for convenience because they’re unwilling to change how they live.

  20. Loralee

    “Stay the fuck out of theme parks, stay the fuck off of the sidewalk on your little fucking Rascal scooter, and do something about it.”

    Holy crap, Adam! I totally ADORE you but you can be such an asshole sometimes! 😉

    (And there are a lot of things in here I do agree with, actually.)

    I just commented over there, but I think it pretty much applies here, so I’ll just tweak it a bit.


    I am torn on this.

    I weighed 300 lbs. at one point in my life. I am now thinner and so I know first hand the different treatment that happens for fat/thin. I have had to use a scooter (ironically, NOT while obese) many times for medical conditions.

    The original post was obnoxious and REALLY missed the intended “humorous’ mark.
    The commenters bitching about “fatties not being able to take a joke”? made me want to throat punch someone.

    As you well know, being obese is hurtful enough on its own without all barb-laced adjectives thrown in. I have scars from being obese that will likely never heal. hey have more than enough reason to be. Fat people are one of the few groups it’s socially acceptable to discriminate and mock. So, until you’ve walked the walk? Just SHUT IT as far as how sensitive people are.


    I don’t mind obese people at theme parks (or anywhere) at all. I don’t mind them on scooters if they really need them.


    I actually didn’t see the core of the original post over there to BE about fat people.

    I saw it to be about entitled assholes who do what they want at the expense of others and without care that they are breaking the rules.

    Fat or thin, those people are EVERYWHERE. The people who park in the handicapped zone that shouldn’t, the people that cut in line, the people that insist that a rule doesn’t apply to THEM.


    And I am sorry, but I know, without a doubt, that there have been many an obese (or hell, thin) person that has gotten on a scooter at Disney World to move faster and stand in line shorter time periods when they didn’t really need to. PERIOD. (I would have rather died than use a scooter when heavy. It wasn’t fun walking around like that and my body and lungs HURT but I could still do it, you know?) And how many people had to go without the shortened line or scooter that really needed them because someone who makes bad life choices took it from them?

    The problem is that you really have NO way of telling who they are, can you? You can’t make that judgement on sight alone. I had a severe blood clot that pretty much crippled me for a year and I had to use scooters everywhere they had them. I could almost feel the disdain and annoyance from shoppers because I looked young and healthy.

    So, yes…by ALL means, we should try not to judge. But you self servers who takes the scooter and shortened line position from the person that really needs it?

    Think twice.

    Because you really, really suck.

    • Avitable

      @Loralee, thanks for the comment. It’s that sense of entitlement, of “Well, I weigh 500 pounds, but instead of doing anything about it, I’ll just get a scooter so I can exert less energy”, that makes me so frustrated. Like I said, I usually assume that someone on a scooter is there for medical reasons, but there are also the ones who use them out of convenience and the thought that their current condition is okay. I think as a society, we need to say that it’s not.

      • Loralee


        I can’t go quite that far. I am not about to say as a ‘society’ if it is ok or not that people or heavy. I have been that way, know the hell it is to lose it, and while I wish so much it changes for them, I can’t bring myself to judge to that level.

        What I CAN say is if you don’t medically NEED a scooter or a parking space that are provided at theme parks, etc.? Don’t take it from those that DO. (Because that just makes you a jerk of a human.)

  21. Deb Rox

    There are several ways to find compassion. The simest is to realize that we are all just human beings. If that fails you, realizing how that could be you sometimes helps. I hear you working really hard hear to say “I’m not like those hideous lazy fatties.” Really, you can buy your own line of hate? Because now you identify ad “merely obese?” Because of that “magic” math formula plus surgery? You can’t imagine being 420 again and not being able to afford the surgery, and then lupus or RA hits you, or another problem, causing you to gain 100 more? You can’t imagine now, breaking your leg or hurting your back in a car accident, being unable to support yourself on crutches? If your rant wasn’t so obnoxious and repulsive on a human level if would be ridiculous on a personal one, so your whole stance feels off to me. Enjoy the attention if that’s what you wanted, or with comments agreeing that you aren’t like those horrid people in scooters, no, you are much, much better than that.

    • austin_Powers

      @Deb Rox, If you were not 420 pounds to start with you wouldn’t have the health issues you have and your legs and bones could support your weight and things wouldn’t break. Crazy how simple things are!

    • Avitable

      @Deb Rox, if I was 420 and continued to gain weight for any reason and couldn’t walk, I would not go to a theme park.

      I’m an extremely compassionate person, and as I said, I normally assume that someone on a scooter has a legitimate reason to use it. If I saw Erin or Jenny at a park on a scooter, my assumption would be that they need that scooter. Likewise if someone had a cast on their leg or a back brace, even if they were morbidly obese.

      It seems to me like you didn’t actually read my post, but only the parts that you wanted to. I’m frustrated with people who have that sense of entitlement as they scoot their grossly, morbidly obese selves across the theme parks. The people who think that there’s nothing wrong and they’re fine. The ones who are proud of being 500 pounds. It’s not okay, and by supporting them, we’re telling them as a society that it is acceptable and it is okay.

  22. Julie

    I was at Disney World a couple of weeks ago and the scooters made me insane.

    My mom’s fiance is 65, fairly normal weight, and has had several back surgeries. It is difficult for him to walk very long periods of time. We keep inviting him on our yearly trips to Disney World but he tells us he can’t walk that much. He goes on to say that it will be a cold day in hell before he uses one of those scooters to get around a theme park. If he can’t walk it, he’s not going.

  23. Sybil Law

    I am extremely hungover, and I have to say- I just don’t give a fuck.
    I don’t fucking care if someone’s so fat they’re riding a scooter. It has no impact on me and my life. I don’t fucking care.
    Now I’m going to go lay on the couch.

  24. Jen

    This makes me think of my ather-in-law. And just so we’re clear here, I don’t even like the guy. At all. He’s very overweight and he has never done anything to try to change that. He eats nothing but steak, butter and cheese. He makes excuse after excuse for why he can’t change his life or his eating habits. The last time I talked to him he told me his doctor told him not to lose any weight because he was getting too thin. The man easily weighs 500 pounds so on top of being wildly unhealthy he is also a lying liar who lies.

    Somewhere along the line he started using a scooter every time he went out of the house. It’s somewhat frustrating for me to watch that because I feel like he could change if he wanted to. But then I have to remind myself that maybe he can’t change. Maybe he’s too stubborn or to lazy or too ill or too depressed to do what needs to be done to make himself better. So should he just waste away and die? Is that better? For whatever reason he thinks he needs that scooter. If he didn’t have it he probably would never leave the house. And as much as I dislike the guy I would much rather see him having some shred of a life (even if it is a scootered one) than watch him become a hermit.

    I can’t pretend that I have never looked at an over weight person on a scooter and thought “Maybe if you put down the fried cheese….” but I don’t like when I have those thoughts. That’s ugly and that’s not the kind of person I want to be. I have to remind myself that life is short and that I would rather see everyone (even the willingly fat!) get out and enjoy it than be stuck at home depressed and feeling unable to brave going out in public.

    As a side note, in all my visits to Disney World I have never been annoyed by a fat person on a scooter. It’s the groups of screaming teenage girls that are there for gymnatics competitions that always get under my skin. Why all the screaming?

  25. Redneck Mommy

    Jaysus Adam, way to step in a pile of shit.

    It makes sense that you keep harping on these lazy scooter riding wankers as having a sense of entitlement. Because you obviously identify with having an over blown sense of entitlement. Proven just by writing this post.

    I love you, but I’d like to kick you square in your sugarlumps while making you feel more compassion for ALL walks of life. Even the lazy morbidly obese life.

      • Redneck Mommy

        @Avitable, See, I don’t think you are entitled to pass judgement on anyone. Not even while living in the delusional, entitled world you seem to want to create.

        Just because you work and you earn your keep. Who is to say the people you are slamming don’t also earn their keep?

        You are a charming man. Just less so when you are an asshole. It doesn’t suit you even if others are telling you it does.

  26. Dead Cow Girl

    Wow. Holly sure got a lot of people talking. I know I wrote about my gut reaction to her post, but I related it to legalizing prostitution. To each their own.

    But yes, I agree, if you are barreling down my double stroller on a scooter with a corn dog in one hand, and a turkey leg in the other (making ME drop my turkey leg!) fer gods sake, make your child run along side you! That is what makes me so very sad. The second generation of obesity that our nation is facing.

    Maybe it is time for a little tough love.

    But seriously Avitable; it seems the thing you really have a problem with at WDW are called “The Other People. All of them. No one is safe. I hate you all.”

    • Avitable

      @Dead Cow Girl, that’s me in a nutshell. I also said, though, that when you’re at a place like that, it’s important to focus on having fun and not on all the obnoxious people who are annoying.

  27. martymankins

    Another awesome post, talking about a post that someone made and your rebuttal to that post (which, I should add, I didn’t read).

    You have managed to expertly outline your opinion, while excluding those that need those scooters for true medical reasons.

    I am in 100% agreement here. If someone is offended by this honest view of the extremely obese needing a scooter to get around in life, then I would hope that tough talk would cause them to go make a difference. Maybe that person needs to stay at home and watch The Biggest Loser to be inspired to make a change.

    People that give a shit about themselves will also give a shit about others they interact with.

    • Avitable

      @Scary Mommy, I’m comfortable being an asshole when I’m stating an opinion of my own. I would be less comfortable, though, if I was publishing someone else’s opinion, because it’s not my own words. Though, I don’t agree with the idea of taking the post down. I think once it’s up, it should stay up.

      • Scary Mommy

        @Avitable, That’s true. I can be a total asshole defending myself. You’re right.

        And, I had (have) mixed feelings about removing the post. On principle, I agree 100%, but after being bombarded by really nasty e-mails, DMs etc., I just wanted it down. Probably a pussy move, but it was what my sanity needed.

  28. Erin

    So my Dad came with us to the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. He’s a bit overweight, but he didn’t use a wheelchair or a scooter, even though he should have due to the gout in his foot. He hasn’t been to a theme park since I was a baby, and went because my daughter, his granddaughter has these crazy cute powers that make otherwise smart men do stupid things. I’d like to think she gets this from me…anyway… my point? Go because you want to enjoy it, or the people you are with- and yes, because you want to…

    However, my Dad should not have gone. He probably should have been one of those people who should have stayed the fuck home. But sometimes we do things for the people we love, even though we know we shouldn’t.

    I had no business being at Disney and at Harry Potter in my condition. Thus the wheelchair. But even with the wheelchair I couldn’t do much. I got in people’s way. I was a pain. But I forced myself out because my kids and my family NEEDED it.

    Sure, we could all stay the fuck home, and some should, as you said. Yes, even though large people who have no business being out, or those of us who really can’t handle it physically. Or shouldn’t. But if you can explain that one to my daughter, I’ll buy you the pony.

    • Avitable

      @Erin, you saw up there where I stated explicitly that when I see people in scooters, I assume it’s for medical reasons, and it’s only when I talk about the people who top out at 500-600 pounds who race around the park, corn dog in hand, that I get annoyed, right?

      Neither you nor your father are those people. Neither of you are the type of person who is taking a scooter and using it, not because they have to, but because they want to. Those people take the scooters from people like you who need them and deserve them.

      Erin, you know me. You know that I explicitly mentioned you (and Jenny) as an example of who I WASN’T talking about. That’s not what this post is about.

      • Erin

        @Avitable, no no.. it’s not that. I guess it’s just the ones that should stay home.. that really should…but don’t because of their cute grand daughter or whatever. Yes, if someone is an asshole … then by all means… screw ’em and their scooter. But the ones that are there, that probably shouldn’t be, but go anyway… for reasons we don’t know… those are the ones.

        If they are there just to line hop and be lazy… well, screw em. Problem is you just can’t tell by looking. And I swear everyone at Disney and Universal thought I was one of those lazy types. Judgy McJudgersons From JudgerVille.

  29. Lexi

    Just as an alcoholic didn’t just wake up one day and decide to drink a 6-pack with breakfast, the morbidly obese didn’t start out that way. It likely began on a smaller scale (no pun intended),and spiraled out of control. Except in extreme cases, I highly doubt these people actually intended to end up this condition. And likely they feel like crap enough about themselves without being told to get their fat asses off the sidewalk. No offense intended.

    That being said, entitlement and laziness aren’t exclusive to the obese. I see kids (I mean, teens) riding motorized carts in the grocery store all the time. Or the middle-aged ‘merely obese’ as well. While my husband’s 90-year-old grandmother has to literally sit and wait until one becomes available.

    The biggest problem I have is when those who don’t actually need the scooters, big or small, young or old, take them away from those who actually do.

  30. hello haha narf

    Life is too short to hate and judge other people.

    Sad that you feel some fucked up sense of entitlement….like Walt made the park for you and those you deem worthy enough to go. If someone can afford to buy a ticket to get in, that is good enough for me.

    • Avitable

      @hello haha narf, so it wouldn’t bother you if someone got a scooter because they were lazy and someone who actually needed one wasn’t able to get one, since they’re in limited supply? You can only dodge having an actual opinion for so long.

  31. hello haha narf

    I have an actual opinion. My opinion is clear. Unless they start making people bring their own scooters, a need for one because the user can’t walk the park is a need…regardless of why the need exists.

    What bothers me is people who are disrespectful and entitled, running into you or blocking paths. That can happen with strollers, umbrellas or scooters. Rude people are rude, no matter how much they weigh.

    • Avitable

      @hello haha narf, so you think that someone who has a legitimate medical need and someone who chooses to use one instead of walking because it’s hard for them to walk due to extreme obesity – those are the same, and there’s no inequity there?

  32. hello haha narf

    They cannot walk the park. End of story. (How do I know that at home they aren’t trying to lose weight with baby steps? Maybe they are to the point where they can walk around the block, but not walk all over Disney. Point is, I don’t know their story.)

    If someone’s knees hurt because they played football when they were younger and blew them out, are you going to say they did it to themselves so fuck em, they can stay home instead of using a scooter? I say a need for a scooter is still a need that is none of my business.

  33. Robin

    Seriously, Adam? This post makes me want to hop on a treadmill and run at 6.5 until I burn off the huge greasy turkey wing I ate last night. On a scooter. At Epcot.

    From one recovering fattie to another, I think you really need to examine why you give so much of a shit about obese people on scooters.

    Obese people on scooters at theme parks (or elsewhere) don’t bother me. I am too busy worried about how long I have to wait on lines to get on the rides, or where the funnel cake stand is, or what that amazing smell is, or why the fuck it costs $20 to park. You know….the things people SHOULD be worried about at the theme park!

  34. steph

    Every single fat person you’ve seen on a scooter has been eating something fried while cruising on the scooter? Really? Every single one? Huh.

    How do you know that the fat person riding a scooter hasn’t already lost a bunch of weight? How do you know they aren’t doing something about it? Just because someone is fat and riding a scooter doesn’t mean they aren’t actively losing weight. It also doesn’t mean they should stay home and wait until they no longer need the help of a scooter to get out and live their life. Whether they’re doing something about it or not, they deserve to enjoy their life (to whatever extent possible). If that means riding a scooter so they can spend the day with their family/friends at a theme park, then that’s what they should do. And I’m not sure who you think you are to imply otherwise.

  35. Angie M.

    i skimmed through all the comments, both sides have valid points, but i agree with you adam.
    also, that “austin powers” an asshole.

    excellent post!

  36. Kisha Floren

    I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of this situation. As a formerly morbidly obese person, and currently still overweight person, I’m extremely thankful I retained enough decency to never allow myself to ride a scooter because it was, admittedly, very hard and painful to walk at my highest weight. I just take an issue with people assuming that because you are overweight and in a scooter, you are doing it because you are lazy. When I was pregnant with my second daughter, and on bedrest due to severe preeclampsia that had caused me to carry around an additional sixty pounds of water weight, I wanted to get out of the house SO BADLY but I refused because that would mean a wheelchair or scooter, and I knew what people would automatically assume-that I was in it because I was fat and lazy, not pregnant and very sick. Because I am still overweight I get the glares and the shitty comments…nevermind the fact that I have lost eighty pounds, and could probably bench press and/or run a mile dragging the bloody carcass of the person judgmental enough to make the incorrect assumption.

    Sorry for hijacking your comments with my rant. 🙂

  37. Nancy [Fear and Parenting in Las Vegas]

    Frankly my issue is not with the scooters or the wheelchairs or even the weight. My issue is with people who let their crappy choices get in the way of the life they want to live. I accept responsibility for the tightness in my waistband. I’m a girl who likes her pastries. However, I don’t blame anyone else for my weight or health, not do I expect accommodations that not only allow me to continue on such an unhealthy path.

    That said, I never assume that someone using an assistive device is abusing it because I can’t ascertain their infirmity. I have a friend that, if you met him sitting behind a desk you would never know that he suffers from MD and had a heart transplant. It’s not my place in life to make folks justify their ailment every time they interact in public.

    Now, forcing new parents to get licenses to drive strollers? That’s a bandwagon I can jump on.

  38. Elizabeth@Table4five

    I’m sorry Adam, I love you bunches, but I have to agree with Steph. Maybe that person on the scooter has already lost 100 pounds and can finally get out of bed into the sunshine and enjoy the day with their family, even though it means using a scooter. And just because they have a corn dog in their hand doesn’t mean they don’t give a shit. Maybe they watched their calories all week so they could work a “treat” into their Disney trip, and chose a corn dog for that treat. You really have no way to know, unless you ask, whether that person took a scooter just for convenience, therefore depriving someone for whom it is medically necessary of using one.

    I’ve also told my husband on more than one occasion, when we’ve seen a gigantic person riding a scooter, that if I were to ever eat my way to scooter weight, that he should slap me hard upside the head and not let me leave the house until I lost the weight. Because I have also looked at people in scooters and thought jesus gods, if you are so fat that your rolls are hanging down over the sides of the scooter, why don’t you get a fucking clue and ask your doctor for some help already.

    So yeah, I guess I’m a hypocrite on this subject. But as usual, you wrote a post that makes people think, and for that, I admire you.

  39. Sue

    Just got back from an amusement park and cannot believe the level of obesity in this country. About 80% of all folks there were obese. So sad to see little kids as obese as their parents. Five year olds should not weigh 80 pounds, people! What’s so interesting is that no one gives a damn what they look like anymore. All these people put on their swim trunks and bikinis and let it all hang out. Obese teenagers were everywhere, 50 extra pounds all covered in acne, head to toe. It was shocking and disgusting. It’s embarassing to be an American. Now, about the scooters. The obese on scooters are now ‘the disabled.’ They just scoot up to the ride’s exit and roll themselves onto the ride without any wait. So those congratulating themselves for not getting to scooter weight, you’re missing the point. Put on another hundred and you’ll have no wait.

  40. Steve foster

    Try working at a corporate grocery store and trying to make it back to your station in time after a break and being inconvenienced by huffing puffing wastes of sex who block your way two by two, who get off of their scooters to grab frozen items from the top shelf of the cooler and get berated by your boss because you were trying to be courteous on your way back…

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