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How to fail at running a contest and how to treat bloggers poorly: by Chrysler and Ignite Social Media

Once there was a company called Chrysler.  And they decided to run a contest to promote their vehicles, getting a few bloggers to compete for votes.  The winner would win a trip for four to NYC, plus an iPad 2 to give away to their readers.  They hired a company called Ignite Social Media to run this contest.

Adam Avitable and Chrysler

There were five contestants, one of whom I know well:

  1. Kristine Cook (my friend)
  2. Kristin Ruiz
  3. Shannon Gosney
  4. Katie Sexton
  5. Jennifer Regan

The rules were this:  Readers read the posts submitted by the contestants and voted. They were allowed one vote per person, per category, per day.

The language of the official rules states (see a screen cap of the full official rules in case they try to change them):

Limit one (1) vote per person, per category, per day. Votes garnered by using multiple email addresses or any other device or artifice to vote multiple times will be disqualified.”

What the official rules do not define is what a “person” is, for the purposes of voting.  In trying to get explanation, a representative from Ignite Social Media (also named Kristin, but not Kristin Ruiz, the contestant) modified the rules by explaining that you can vote once every 24 hours per computer.  This would lead any reasonable person to assume that if one has different computers, one can vote multiple times.  Here is the screen capture of this email:

Email from Ignite Social Media rep regarding Chrysler Blog-Off voting

This assumption was obviously communicated to all the contestants as a few of them mentioned that one could vote once per day, per IP address, computer, or browser:

(From Shannon Gosney’s blog)

Shannon Gosney asks for votes in the Chrysler Blogger Face-Off

From the comments of Kristin Ruiz’s blog, where she and Jennifer Regan, another contestant, discuss voting with different browsers.

Kristin Ruiz and Jennifer Regan discuss cheating on the Chrysler Blogger Face-Offkristin-ruiz-and-jennifer-regan-discuss-voting-on-multiple-browsers

So, where’s the failure, you may be asking yourself, except in having a poorly worded contest that doesn’t use a viable voting method for a prize that would obviously encourage severe competition?

On her humor blog, Wait In The Van, Kristine asked her readers to vote for her from as many computers as they can:

Kristine Cook and the Chrysler Blogger Face-Off

Apparently, in the comments of the post, a commenter was rude and made fun of Kristin Ruiz, calling her a skank.  It may be true, it may not – it doesn’t matter.  What matters is that Kristine did not call her a skank, nor did she re-affirm the commenter’s opinion.  Actually, that doesn’t even matter.  She could have called Kristin Ruiz and her husband, Del, a couple of obnoxious entitled children who bully their ways into opportunities and take advantage of companies who want to avoid bad publicity while giving all bloggers, and human beings a bad name, and it would be okay.  She still would not have violated any of the rules of the contest, as written on the site and also as explained by a representative from Ignite Social Media.

But Kristin Ruiz and her attack dog husband took umbrage with the comment, embarking on a campaign to call Kristine a cheater, and harass Ignite Social Media into making a very poor PR decision.  They also opted to delete all of their tweets that they wrote in bullying Kristine.  Why?  Because they were ashamed? Because they’re pathetic people with no ability to be honest or forthright citizens?  Because they’re worthless human beings?  I don’t know – your guess is as good as mine.

Ignite Social Media disqualified Kristine from the contest with the following email, stating that she was in violation of the official rules because “votes garnered by using multiple email addresses or any other device or artifice to vote multiple times will be disqualified.”:

Ignite Social Media drops the ball with the Chrysler Blogger Face-Off

I’m assuming that you’re probably as flabbergasted as I am at the sheer incompetence of “Christian”, who, in earlier emails, explains that she’s “Kristin’s” boss, even though she’s emailing her from Kristin’s email address (once again, clarifying that this Kristin from Ignite Social Media, not Kristin Ruiz, the contestant).

  • Kristine was told that voting once per computer per day was acceptable by an employee of Ignite Social Media.
  • Even if multiple votes per person via different computers are considered violations of the official rules, which they don’t appear to be, the rules explicitly state that the votes will be disqualified, not the contestant.
  • Anyone who is rational or reasonable will understand that a contestant cannot be responsible for the actions of his or her commenters, whether they violate rules or call another contestant a stupid skank with an idiot husband.
  • Christian is blatantly and completely incorrect in stating that she had no choice but to disqualify her entry because of legal consequences, and, in fact, opened Ignite Social Media, and Chrysler, up for actual legal ramifications for taking arbitrary and capricious actions during this contest and wrongfully disqualifying a contestant.
  • EVEN IF you are a moron and disagree with all of the above, the other three contestants who discussed voting via different IP addresses and different browsers should also be disqualified in order to be equitable.  Yet no action was taken.

 

This is not how to run a contest, Ignite Social Media. This is how to royally and completely fail at working with bloggers, at public relations, and at life.  Chrysler, this is not how you hire a PR company.  Just because the name of the company has “Social Media” in it, and just because their site is flashy, maybe having your legal team involved would be a good idea.

If you’re reading this, and you’re frustrated/annoyed/incensed/worried about being treated like this, here’s what you can do:

Send an email to Ignite Social Media by emailing Kristin Rawski (and apparently Christian Sullivan) :  kristinr@ignitesocialmedia.com and telling them politely and firmly that you disagree with their actions and request that either Kristine be reinstated or that the entire contest be scrapped and redone.

Send tweets to Christian, Kristin, Ignite Social Media, and Chrysler, using the following Twitter handles:

Christian:  @differentwalk
Kristin: @krawski
Ignite: @ignitesma
Chrysler Autos:  @chryslerautos
Chrysler: @chrysler

You can copy and paste this tweet:
Reinstate Kristine @waitinthevan in the Blogger Face-Off! #ChryslerFail bit.ly/wwiMwB cc: @ignitesma @chryslerautos @chrysler

You can tweet a link to this post, share it on Facebook, Stumble it, or otherwise spread the message.  This is NOT okay.  Companies and their PR organizations need to realize that this is not something to be done lightly and they need to take their jobs seriously.  There are consequences to acting arbitrarily and capriciously and to caving into to bullying.  Next time this happens, it could happen to you.  Is that what you want?

 

Update:  11:08 PM 3/6/12

Please, also email Chrysler to tell them how displeased you are with the way that the contest is being run and how this situation is handled. Here are some contact names and email addresses:

shawn.morgan@chrysler.com
Head of Corporate Leadership Support Communication
christina.biache@chrysler.com
News Desk/Corporate Web Site Manager
ariel.gavilan@chrysler.com
Contact person for the Chief Marketing Officer
michael.palese@chrysler.com
Contact person for the Senior Vice President, General Counsel & Secretary

Update 2: 12:43 PM 3/7/12

Earlier today, Jenny the Bloggess posted a comment (copied and pasted so you don’t have to scroll down):

What a clusterfuck. This a great study in why voting contests are always a bad idea, especially with prizes that make people a bit crazy. My guess is that everyone involved probably wishes they’d never even heard of this and wishes they could have gone back and used their time in a better manner. Imagine if that same amount of effort had gone into a fundraising project for their favorite charity.

To Ignite Social Media: This will get worse before it gets better so bite the bullet and make this right so you can stop this before it becomes something more embarrassing. If you can’t afford to send all of the contestants to NY then at least give all of them a couple of i-pads each to compensate for that the fact that you created a flawed contest and maybe all of this will settle down and we can get back to more important things on the internet. Like videos of hedgehogs taking baths and kittens falling off of tables.

 

Jim Tobin, President of Ignite Social Media responded a few minutes ago:

Hi Jenny, thanks for the suggestion. We think we did the only thing we could do given the rules and the situation.

Having said that, it’s clear that our promotion, which was designed to be fun for all of the bloggers participating, has clearly not been fun for some of them.

As a result, I’d be happy to provide each of the 10 bloggers with either an iPad2 or with a $500 Donor’s Choose gift card to donate to the educational cause(s) of their choice.

Hopefully this will make up for some of the more unfortunate drama.

I’ll contact all 10 bloggers (the 5 mentioned here and 5 auto bloggers who are also participating) individually. 

I think this is a step in the right direction.  This isn’t about getting free products, though, and I think it’s important to realize that.  This is about a company acknowledging that maybe they made a mistake and that there was a better way to resolve a situation that shouldn’t have occurred in the first place.

I just received confirmation from Kristine that she did indeed receive a call from Ignite SM offering an iPad 2 as an apology for the situation.  I would like to take it one step further:

Jim, are you willing to post on your site that after consideration, the rules of the contest were vague and that the voting method used was not something you’ll be using in the future?  That you’ll be more considerate and understanding of what’s involved in an endeavor like this next time?  I think it’s the least that you could do, and it would go a long ways towards removing any stigma from Kristine being disqualified from the contest.

Update 3: 3/13/12 1:05 PM

Kristin Ruiz, wife of the obnoxious Del in the comments below, has just been caught plagiarizing posts about her pregnancy and using those posts to get paid by Babble, a major online publishing site.

Read Amalah’s post here and the details here.

346 thoughts on “How to fail at running a contest and how to treat bloggers poorly: by Chrysler and Ignite Social Media”

    1. @Mom101,
      Please look at Section 9, where it reads: “Sponsor reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to disqualify any individual who is responsible or who tampers with the entry process.” There is also the clause in Section 4 that says, “By participating, entrants agree to abide by and be bound by these Official Rules.”

      You can read the rules in full here: http://blog.chrysler.com/bloggerfaceoff/rules.html

      When a contestant encourages people to “get around the IP block,” we are left with little choice.

      1. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, would you consider harassing and bullying to be an example of tampering with the entry process? What about a contestant admitting that she voted by different browsers? What about another contestant telling people to vote via different IP addresses on as many computers as they want? Your rules were unclear and your staff made it more vague. This is not as cut and dry as you are trying to make it. I’ve already send out information to several Detroit-based news outlets who would might be interested in hearing what Chrysler has done now with choosing yet another PR company that stumbled.

        Down in the comments, you’ll see a comment by Jenny the Bloggess. She makes some good points, and you may want to consider that. You can still redeem the situation by doing what’s right.

      2. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media,

        My comment was in reference to the great big internet drama of it all. “Hot mess,” as the kids say. So…maybe you just wanted your comment at the top of the page? No need to direct it to me specifically.

      3. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, How can you selectively apply the rules to one contestant and not to the others? If you have an employee answering an e-mail and therefore representing your company who gives out a rule clarification of voting “once every 24 hours per computer” and then take adverse action against that person for following the rules as outlined to them by your company, then you, and your company, have failed. The fact that you try to defend your actions and try to villify the client/consumer/participant is equally reprehensible. I will be contacting the heads of Marketing at Chrysler, Microsoft, Samsung, Nike, WB, Hasbro, The Body Shop, Disney Interactive, Nature Made, and Bing (along with any other company I can find who uses Ignite Social Media) and let them know that I will no longer be purchasing any products made by their companies until either they no longer subcontract to Ignite Social Media or until you no longer work for Ignite Social Media. You are a public relations nightmare.

  1. Yeah.. It’s completely asinine, and I find it strange that Chrysler and Ignite haven’t done a little actual “research” into this craziness, because OBVIOUSLY they’re repeat offenders. Also, I find it completely offensive that Kristin/Del/BOTH OF THEM called us, Kristine’s readers and voters, proxy servers. We’re real people, and I’m not amused. Also also, you’re awesome. The end. Even more awesome than my text Narwhal AND my text penguin.

  2. I tweeted about this and also went to the Ignite Social media site and posted this message:

    “I think it’s a shame that Ignite Social Media has handled a communications glitch with a blogger contestant so poorly: http://www.avitable.com/2012/03/06/how-to-fail-at-running-a-contest-and-how-to-treat-bloggers-poorly-by-chrysler-and-ignite-social-media/

    “I request that your company cancel your Blogger Faceoff and just reboot. Do it right. Do right by your client, the participants bloggers, and the Internet in general. This was just an error and it’s easily fixed if you suck it up and fix the mess.

    “Social media really IS (as your site says) “about a conversation.” I hope you don’t continue making the conversation be such an unflattering one for your company and the clients you represent.”

    Shame on ‘em!

    1. @Michelle, in my comment, I was pointing out to Chrysler that there must be a better voting system – one that doesn’t allow votes from different browsers from the same person/computer in a 24-hour period.

      1. @Jennifer, in your comment you say you just discovered that you could vote from different browsers. It’s safe to assume you discovered that by voting multiple times, thereby violating the rules.

        1. @Avitable, no – I was pointing out the flaws in the voting methods. I am not happy with the way this has been run either, and stopped asking for votes a few days ago.

  3. ::shakes head::
    Didn’t PR firms learn from Jenny/The Bloggess? I mean, really….
    I wish I had as much time on my hands as the “bully couple” has to harass people on the internet. Must be nice.
    (Hondas and Toyotas FTMFW!!)

  4. I find the actions of the bloggers in question to be reprehensible. To take one line from an email, “per computer” and use it as permission to blatantly subvert the written rules of the contest — which every participant agreed to abide by — is just not cool. If there was a question, the blogger should have written back and asked instead of going hog wild with the feeling that she discovered a loophole.

    With that said, the email with the “one computer” message was stupid. Someone wasn’t paying attention. But the last time I checked, an email from a company representative doesn’t overwrite the officially published rules.

    I agree with Moosh. These voting contests usually don’t run or end well. It seems to lead to horrible behavior from bloggers and those that follow them.

    1. @Jane, I disagree – the blogger got confirmation from the rep that it’s “once per computer”. In addition, if the voting allows a one-click vote without an email address or confirmation, it’s the fault of the company.

      And yes, if official legal rules are lacking in a definition, a writing from an actual representative of the company can be amended to it.

    2. @Jane, I agree. I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s hung up on that part. If the official rules say one thing, and an employee says something else, I’m going to ask that employee for clarification before I start telling everyone to use different IP addresses.

      I do agree that the rules were entirely too vague in the first place, but that’s still no excuse to basically cheat.

      The whole contest should just be scrapped, all contestants disqualified. Maybe they can start from scratch with more clear rules, but this whole mess is going to leave a bad taste in people’s mouths with such obviously bad management on Ignite’s part and ignorance on Chrysler’s part.

      1. @Liz, if you asked a company for clarification on something and they provided it, you wouldn’t feel like that was sufficient? You can read the entire chain of emails if you’d like, where they talk about IP addresses being all that they’re considering. And nowhere did the rules say that a contestant should be censored in what she said. It’s semantics, yes, but it’s very important if you’re going to disqualify someone.

  5. I read Kristine’s story today on my phone and I’m still flabbergasted by the sheer unprofessional conduct on the part of the Ignite Media. As for the Bully Couple, it’s clear they are suffering from entitlement-itis. It’s rampant in North America. I do hope Ignite picks up the pieces and starts over. The whole thing stinks of amateur-hour, and I’m certain Chrysler doesn’t need/want this kind of attention.

      1. @Avitable, you heard that where? I mean, what I’ve seen with my own eyes is already quite appalling, but to spread info like what you just said – also uncool. If you didn’t see it with your own eyes (and assuming she didn’t tell you herself), then I wouldn’t be saying things like that – especially in writing. Just my opinion.

          1. @kristin, (and Del): I wasn’t going to respond, but you did read above where I stuck up for you, right? I don’t care to go back and forth with you. It sounds to me like this entire situation is giving you quite a bit of stress, to the point where you aren’t even reading things accurately. I mean it sincerely when I say, you need to take a break. Turn off the internet for a few days (at the very least), and count the blessings in your real life. This contest, these people, the prize(s)? They truly do not matter. Remove yourself from the equation – it isn’t worth the crappy feelings you’re having right now, whether they be anger, frustration, sadness, etc. If the internet wasn’t around tomorrow – how many of these online folks would you keep in touch with? Focus on those people in your life and walk away from this. Life is way too short to let the opinions of others consume you.

          2. @kristin, Actually, sweetie pie, it was 4 glasses from the last count that I counted that day when you were preggo. I didn’t take the picture, however I was there to witness your psychotic ramblings and boozed room service. Hopefully you aren’t drinking it up with this kid too.

          3. @Avitable,

            Thanks for saying that Adam….as you can see I actually have retained a lawyer because of this same credible person saying such things. Leave the link will ya it’s the documents from MY LAWYER

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/DJRLettertoGordon3.pdf

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/2010/11/online-bullying-now-is-time-to-talk-about-it/

            How about you don’t say things that are so very hurtful. I never once insulted anyone.

          4. @Avitable,

            No but I hear you’re waiting for them to turn 18.

            Seriously Adam, I know you’re a humor blogger and funny and all but saying such things is just mean. I never ,meant to hurt Kristine had it had been anyone else I would have posted the same things. I just pointed out what she had said. My husband sent her 4 tweets and go read them they are in no way bullying her. They’re all still there.

            I should have emailed her myself I get that but by her tweets she was already so pissed off and arrogant about the situation she wasn’t going to listen to me.

            Anyway be hurtful, good for you. ;)

          5. @Kristin, Is any of the above even coherent? What language do you speak? It sure isn’t English! I assume that’s why you and Del continue to copy others. Since neither of you is intelligent enough to grasp the English language and you are such a HUGE blogger, why not claim other’s work as your own? Seems appropriate to me! I am not surprised at any of this really. You copied me once and I had to ask you to remove the content. I know you won’t remember since this is the NORM for you, but I’m glad you are finally being called out.

          6. @thepsychobabble, No it was just showing that Tanya Gordon has been trying to spread lies for a while, that is all. Read what she said and what it was in response to. It is to show that Tanya may be out for a little more than to advocate for this all, and just to try to turn this into a smear campaign which she can see you are all doing. Nothing more, she said nothing about contacting her lawyer, why do you continue to insist on things what were never said?

          7. @kristin, You mean HAD hired a lawyer, have means that you still retain him…he indicated in one of these super awesome means as much as Charmin on my ass that he no longer works for you. :) Haven’t you two found a new sandbox to play in yet?

          8. @Karie,

            Oh honey, you have no idea.

            Don’t you have another land to go troll? Bye bye. See you again next time you want to harass me with Tanya Gordon AKA MommyGoggles.

          9. @Karie, She ‘hired’ an attorney that was paid for our of her student loans which are government funded, then guess what? Poor attorney that had just as good as grammatical skills as D & K fired THEM because the letter that I sent back with over 6 years worth of proof .. yeah – who won? Too bad you can’t get a refund. More and more people, acquaintances, and PR firms are seeing what a crooked poor little soul this person is. It’s a shame.

          10. @kristin, OMG I almost spit out my tea. You never insulted anyone? Now that, folks, is HUMOR! You are the queen of hate, stalking, harassing & insult. More to come, I promise. ;-) Wait for it…. Wait for it…

          11. @Avitable, I tend to agree with Karen. I get that you don’t like what she did, but unless you saw her and took a picture, I wouldn’t go there….it dilutes your message.

            Just saying.

  6. I agree with Casey. Voting is ALWAYS a disaster. Anyone who has been in blogging for a bit knows that. And a PR company SURELY should know that.

    Man, I am GLAD I didn’t agree to work with Ignite Media when they emailed me a few months ago.

  7. What Casey said…contests that require votes always end poorly. This one is going to end very poorly, though – perhaps even legal battles – because someone at Ignite Social Media couldn’t be bothered to write up a complete list of rules, spelling out exactly what is allowed and what isn’t.

    And disqualifying someone for taking an amendment to the rules and running with it, while others did as well without any consequences, is utterly shameful.

  8. Hi Adam,

    I’m Jim Tobin with Ignite Social Media and I appreciate your thoughts and your support for Kristine. We thought before we started this promotion that she was an excellent blogger and we still think that. She’s got a great style and we were thrilled to work with her.

    The whole issue here came down to the fact that one of our blogger partners was openly encouraging people to break the rules of the promotion she’d agreed to be a part of. Statements like, “You can probably get around the IP block and vote many times” were the issue. Any interchange anyone had with another contestant, or any comments by anyone’s fans, was not a factor in our decision at all.

    The email you mention from Kristin was in response to a question from Kristine as to whether people could vote once per promotion or once per day. We’re bloggers ourselves, so we pride ourselves on responding quickly to our partners. I think you’ll see even in Kristine’s post that she says we were “mostly wonderful” to work with. She also acknowledges in that same post that she probably shouldn’t have encouraged the extra voting.

    It was a tough call. We struggled with it. We have no ill will toward Kristine, but we will not be able to reinstate her.

    Jim
    @jtobin

    1. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, Jim, with all due respect, you’re completely in the wrong here. There is absolutely nothing in the rules that states what a blogger can or cannot say. You acted arbitrarily and capriciously and I suspect that Chrysler will be hearing plenty about this. I read the emails, and that’s not what Kristin was replying to at all. It was in response to Kristine asking about voting with more than one computer.

      Take responsibility for your actions and either reinstate her or scrap the contest and offer a mea culpa. This will not end well.

      1. @Avitable,

        Want the screen shots from Shannon Gosney asking her readers to also vote via multiple devices? Her own readers sending the screeenshots to Ignite today they are currently “looking into it”.

        Seems as if you’re missing that one.

          1. @Avitable,

            That was a paste actually as you can see I have no problem showing who I am. I also just tweeted you the sccreenshot. Had I had this before it also would have went up in the post with Kistine’s screenshots.

    2. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, additionally, two of the other contestants ADMITTED PUBLICLY that they themselves actively voted via additional browsers, yet you didn’t disqualify them.

    3. @Jim Tobin
      I have no horse in this race and I don’t know any of the bloggers here. But it seems to me from the screen shots that at least 3 of the bloggers in the contest openly encouraged people to vote more than once. One suggested you can vote from other IP addresses, one suggested that you can use other browsers, and Kristine simply took the same tack…but ran with it humorously.

      So is the issue that she promoted a violation of the rules “more” than the others did? She said it more times? I’m confused as to the rationale for disqualifying one but not the other three. Or at best–why not give them all the benefit of the doubt and restart the contest with clarified rules?

      Curious on your thoughts. Thanks.

      1. @Mom101, @Avitable,

        I don’t think we’re going to end up agreeing on this, but I don’t see any other blogger saying, “You can probably get around the IP block and vote many times.” That was clearly encouraging people to break the rules.

        Adam, if you’ve seen the threads, you saw that we were clarifying Kristine’s question about whether it was once per day or once per promotion. In other emails to Kristine, we mentioned that we were using IP block (which has pros and cons that are well documented) and that you could vote once per 24 hours.

        Jim

        1. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, and if I was the one to encourage people to do it? Would you have disqualified her? Or would you have done what it says in the rules and disqualified the votes?

          The problem lies in the fact that you say in the official rules that votes that are made with multiple machines will be disqualified, yet you have absolutely no way to know which votes are made with multiple machines, due to negligence with your choice of voting platforms.

          What do you have to say about the fact that additional contestants admitted to using other browsers but you didn’t disqualify them? What’s the rationale?

        2. @Jim Tobin

          I don’t think we’re agreeing or disagreeing, because I’m simply asking questions.

          The sad thing is, I’ve seen a lot of cases of bloggers surreptitiously cheating at contests like these. They do it quietly and privately. Some get away with it, some don’t. I don’t get the sense Kristine thought she was cheating. I think more than anything, she was being funny.

          The whole thing is a shame. I bet you all spent a lot of time putting this together.

          1. @Mom101, this is why you’re one of my favorite people. You’re so even-tempered and classy and professional. I really absolutely respect the way you handle things like this.

          2. @Mom101, Agreed. The whole thing is a shame. It was supposed to be fun for everyone.

            That’s my biggest regret in all this. What started out fun certainly didn’t end up that way for Kristine or Kristin, and I hate that.

            While I firmly believe we did the only thing we could do under the circumstances, we’ll certainly be reviewing this from a lot of angles to see how we got here and how to avoid that in the future.

            Jim

    4. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, Hi Jim. You may want to reconsider having Kristin in your contest and from sending her anything, other than a ‘Dear John’ letter, especially after her hate post she made on her own blog about Chrysler and your firm. I cannot believe that you allow people like her and her spouse to trash talk you and others on their peon little blogs and on Twitter and you still are sending her an ‘I’m sorry’ iPad. Your company has their priorities entirely wrong. Are you aware that Kristin (Our Ordinary Life) is as crooked as they come? If anyone deserved to be booted from your contest, it would be her. She bashes more companies online than any other hate site out there.

    1. @Abe, the word “person” actually should be defined within the confines of the terms and conditions, as corporations can be defined as persons as well as other entities. It’s semantics, but not something worth disqualifying over.

  9. You can talk AROUND an issue all day long. It’s stepping up and doing the right thing that will stand out. They won’t reinstate her, but they’ll continue to support bullying AND THEIR CHEATING?! Their ACTUAL cheating?

    Okay, I see the light. I’m going to start raising my kid to know that, all joking aside, all you have to do to get your way (time and time again) is piss, whine, moan, complain, oh.. and bully.

    I got this. It’s way easier than teaching her accountability, respect, common courtesy, and decency. Parenting in the digital age just go WAY easier. Thanks for that, bro.

    I will pretend to regret this in the morning.

      1. @Avitable, I was hastily making bold decisions on my phone, and that was supposed to be a reply to the Ignite guy. But, it’s good to know that you’re always down to help the weak and downtrodden Proxies of the world. THERE SHOULD BE MORE YOUS! Also, there should be an award for people like us, the average superheros. We should start a comic. Start A Comic, Save The World. No cheerleaders, though.

          1. @Avitable, We can do better than cheerleaders. We can get.. like.. other awesome people. Or! We can get YOU cheerleaders (And they’ll stand behind you all “OMFG I LOVE YOUUUUU LOOK HOW HOT AND AWESOME YOU ARE”) and we can get ME other people (who will also say nice things about me, only we’ll all know they’re lies). Compromise? I think so!

  10. I’m sorry, but I just can’t get up in arms about this. While the rules were a little vague, it was clearly stated that using multiple IP addresses was a no-no. Kristine should have asked for further clarification rather than basically asking her readers to cheat. I get that it’s a huge prize and very exciting, but I don’t at all think all of the blame lies with Chrysler and Ignite.

    Signing off with my unpopular opinion,
    Liz

    1. @Liz, and nowhere in the rules does it say that encouraging your voters to use different IP addresses will get you disqualified. If they’re going to make up rules that weren’t in the legal and official rules, they should at least apply them across the board and disqualify everyone. That’s the issue I think you’re missing completely.

  11. The whole situation is stupid. As for the crazy couple. I hope they’re not procreating. Scary. @abe, the point is that, if one contestant is out for breaking the rules by encouraging their followers to vote more than once, then ANY

  12. Here is the people who say we bullied them: http://www.twitpic.com/8syjnr/full.

    Now 2 of them Karie and Tanya, have called me a racist name: http://www.delthedad.com/2010/08/27/have-you-ever-been-called-a-racial-or-derogatory-name-before/

    And insulted our family time again, many screenshot of her actions against us: http://www.delthedad.com/category/mommy-gaggles/

    I dont want to post here, but you keep attacking my wife with an accusation and lie that Tanya and some ladies at momdot.com spread. There is one thing to say we bullied someone, but its another to not have any facts to back it and to keep spreading these rumors because you are mad at me. You take things to personal, I think I have the right to protect my wife and family, juts like you feel you have the right to deal with this thing for Kristine @WaitInTheVan. You say I cant defend my wife, but you can defend everyone else, even liars?

      1. @Avitable, Now, now. Where’s the adults when you need them for discipline? Be quiet or everyone is going to their rooms tonight without dinner or dessert!

    1. @Del (@DelTheDad), Um Del I never bullied you. I merely exerted my self-assurance to you and you can’t handle a strong fierce woman like myself who won’t tolerate your ignorance and retardation. Sorry my morals got in the way of your pimp and thug life with your woman.

      1. @Karen Sugarpants, You may want to read the response from the guy from Ignite, but for some reason you all seem to ignore it? By purpose or you just dont know any better. As far as the 1 screenshot above, there was a bigger context which the Ignite guy touched on. His words quoted from above in regard to the single screenshot above “Adam, if you’ve seen the threads, you saw that we were clarifying Kristine’s question about whether it was once per day or once per promotion. In other emails to Kristine, we mentioned that we were using IP block (which has pros and cons that are well documented) and that you could vote once per 24 hours. ” You should really get all the info before you make a hasty judgement, happens too much with you all. Which is why Jen says “must be better voting system,” this was when they realized that people were gaming the votes. But hey interprete how you want since you know very little of the whole issue and just what these people want you to know. Context, my friend, context.

        1. @Del (@DelTheDad),

          You continue to amaze me. YOU don’t even have all the emails because they’re in MY inbox.

          “You should really get all the info before you make a hasty judgement, happens too much with you all”

          Take you own advice for fuck’s sake.

  13. And there is even more than that, but the point is this is way out of hand, and the lies being spread are not cool. If this attention is what you like, then so be it. But to be honest, its nothing respectable, no matter how humorous you view yourself.

    1. @Del (@DelTheDad), for someone who was threatening to slap and “smack the shit out of” people on Twitter, you certainly have a sense of the ironic.

      By the way, having seen you in person, I’m not sure that physically threatening people is the direction you want to go.

      1. @Jason, I said that to one person that said he “doubts” my wife is a skank and continnued to repeat it. One person, but of course on here it turns into people? I know many who if a man said this to them about their wifve, would feel the same. I am not football player, but neither are some bad ass fighters I have seen and know. But I guess you can only be strong if your over 6ft? Remember it was DadCentric that first came at me with the insults, what like 5 of you. I wish men on here had more respect for their wives, and would not accept other men insulting them over and over. Men online are not the toughest scariest characters, sorry to burst your bubble bud. Especially the ones who pride themselves on talking smack and spending their whole day tweeting.

        1. @Del (@DelTheDad), what exactly have you accomplished over the past few days? Your tweets and comments make absolutely no sense; they’re the pathetic ravings of someone with an almost pathological persecution complex. This is something that’s been your trademark for a while, and anyone who’s spent any time reading your Twitter stream will agree with me. With all of your yapping you’ve pretty much destroyed any chance your wife might have had of winning this contest. And I’m guessing that deep down, you know this. And once this dies down and you’re an afterthought, you’ll look for some other reason to yell at the Internet, and find somebody else to blame for all of your woes. Seriously, you’re one of the saddest individuals I’ve ever encountered.

  14. Wait, wait – did I see someone say they were going to sue or retained a lawyer because they got their fucking feelings hurt on the internet?! Lulz.
    WTF.
    Grow the fuck up, people.
    Insight, you made a bad move, and now you just look like browbeaten douchebags. Admit you screwed up, and mete out the same punishment to all the bloggers. That way, no one can say you aren’t trying to make the contest as fair as possible.

    1. @Sybil Law, Yes….THIS. Disqualify them or just start the damn contest over….without voting. Who the hell does voting for blog contests anymore anyway? People will always find a way to get over easily, whether it’s intentional or not….it’s human nature.

    2. @Sybil Law, Yeah, the one peon that brought up lawyer was Del. He likes to pull that card when things don’t go their way. It’s quite sad.

      His wife is in this contest and they have their panties in a bunch because she’s losing. Kristin is well known for getting hateful and feisty when she loses. The last time she bashed a company that she was in a contest with was Hopscout. When she didn’t win, she decided to bash Hopscout on her peon blog, Facebook and twitter.

  15. Big prizes inspire people to look for loop holes. It has always be thus. In the “old days” of store registrations we had to stipulate that customers couldn’t use address labels and required them to hand fill out registration forms. Computers make it fast and easy to make multiple entries and people with internet skills can cut corners. It’s really a question of conscience. Would that everyone thought more about what is the right thing to do versus the way to skirt the rules. @Jtobin – I understand that @IgniteSocialMedia has to stand by the rules that were created. It seems like there are more contestants who skirted the “spirit” of the rules.

    1. @Janet Kennedy, thank you for the comment. And knowing Kristine very well, I know that she never intended for anything malicious – she’s actually someone who is terrified of breaking the rules and obsessive to a fault. This was not a punishment that fit the crime nor was equitably applied.

    1. @Wendy T, While I agree with this principle… What is ‘right’ is defined and shaped by ones own personal belief system. So ‘doing the right thing’ is left open to ones interpretation. Most would think they do the right thing when no one is looking… in other words, this really supports ones own choices based on their own morals.

  16. I emailed Ignite Social Media and four members of the Chrysler company hoping for something to be done about this. I encourage you all to do the same. I found contact information for media and marketing folks at Chrysler through their website. This whole situation was handled very poorly. The person who cried the loudest was simply given their way as to not cause upset. She has behaved no better than the person who insulted her in the first place. It is not right.

      1. @Avitable,
        shawn.morgan@chrysler.com
        Head of Corporate Leadership Support Communication
        christina.biache@chrysler.com
        News Desk/Corporate Web Site Manager
        ariel.gavilan@chrysler.com
        Contact person for the Chief Marketing Officer
        michael.palese@chrysler.com
        Contact person for the Senior Vice President, General Counsel & Secretary

        The first two were contacts listed on the Chrysler media website and the rest I found through looking through the corporate bios.
        I asked them if they were not the person to contact to put me in touch with the people I should contact.

        I really just don’t appreciate the way her husband bullied Kristine and I don’t think that their behavior should have been rewarded.

  17. I’m a fan of Kristine’s blog and I enjoy her sense of humor. I totally got that her approach was very tongue-in-cheek. I’m sorry she was disqualified and all this hoopla was started. I’ve never even commented at her blog before; I am just one (of many) who enjoys her blog. Unfortunately, there are people who will let nothing stand in their way if they want something badly enough and Kristine was caught in their crosshairs. The best thing to come out of all this is that I found your blog! I love your header.

  18. All I can say is wow. Not at what you people call the “bully” couple but about the stuff people say when they are hiding behind a computer. I think you all need to grow up. Are we still in high school? I think you all need to take a look at who is bullying who. It seems to me that calling people names, spreading rumors, getting followers to spread hate about someone is bullying.

    1. @J.S, who’s hiding behind a computer? I have my full name and phone number and address here. I posted links and images showing what happened. I actually called out a company for acting in an unprofessional manner.

      And I have no problem acting as a bully towards other bullies. They deserve everything they get for being pieces of shit.

      1. @Avitable,

        Come on, prove that I bullied her…..I never said half of the rude, hurtful things you have said to and about me.

        I in no way bullied her, nor would I ever.

          1. @Hannah, My tweets are in my twitter stream, please tell me where I bullied her? I asked her why she promoted name calling and people to rig the system, how is that picking on her. Especially after everything your group has done. You all act tough, then continue to pick fights, then run away saying your being picked on?

          2. @Del (@DelTheDad), Here you go, here is all my tweets to Kristine. I may have been a little harsh, but I dont appreciate finding my wife being called a skank, then being told Kristine over looked it then, then telling me she wont remove anything. Plus I dont like people who cheat. I dont cheat, so others shouldnt cheat. I get your OK with cheating, but I am not, I dont care who you are. I would rather lose than cheat, no big deal. Just make more of a drive to win next time.

            Here are my tweets that you all insist is deserving of your constant vile attacks and lies.

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan1.jpg

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan2.jpg

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan3.jpg

            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan4.jpg

            And Kristine said the remark about students, yet several of her readers said they used their copmp[uter labs and went to each one themselves, and she said thanks. 1 person said they can maniuplate their IP, and she said she loves them.

            Here is here tweets to me.
            http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DelTheDad.jpg

            For being humor bloggers, you all get pretty butt hurt over some not even harsh words. Yet you guys can continue to attack me, call my wife a skank and then pull out your pitchforks and torches… Over reacting a little?

          3. @Del (@DelTheDad), I admit, I did overreact at first, but I get sick of seeing people pick on others then laugh about it, especially my wife. This is not the first time. I think a couple of tweets may have been deleted by Kristine, but regardless, no reason to to use my family or anyone I know as the butt of your joke. Maybe next time, just make fun of your own people. And next time, dont joke about cheating, just because you may think it is a joke, doesnt mean everyone else will. You should understand that on the internet. Just like what you see as humor, others dont. Like I dont think my tweets have deserved the harsh insults, you all do. We have different views, and you shouldn’t expect people to be inline with you. Instead of telling someone its humor and a joke when they dont see it that, maybe respect their views, but little repsect exists online unless you are in specific circles or cliques. Again I apologize for saying she was bullying, but I wasnt sure how she would reposnd, which she did what I though by saying she wouldnt remove anything. And I guess I should have figured I would be attacked after, which happened, by men, women, all people using their reputations to justify me being wrong and deserving being ganged up upon online, for sure a first. You all seem to have the reputation to pick on people an think its funny, and you have done a great job proving it. Thanks again, this will be a great story to tell people about what happens online and in the blogosphere. Again sorry Kristine for the tweets, but all I wanted was you to remove it, nothing else. It just happened that you wouldnt then I noticed the other things with the voting, all of which someone else pointed out to me after getting back in town, I was just the one to confront you. Most moms are fearful of people like your group, and its clear why they would be. You are good at picking on people, and would really cause some grief for certain, many people. Chrysler is next it seems, but then again, I dont think they will be as easy to push around either. Good luck.

          4. @Del (@DelTheDad), I don’t think this is “picking on people” so much as it is a PR firm not understanding that they have a certain amount of accountability. You cannot just make up rules all willy nilly and change them midstream to accommodate the squeaky wheels as it goes along. PR firms are paid large amount of money to get it right the first time. This is not any thing more than stuffing the Prom King/Queen ballot box. It’s not a competition of talent, it is a popularity contest at this point and no one is winning based on merit. It’s ridiculous and not the way a large company like Chrysler should be running a contest. I own a very small PR and marketing firm now and even I know better than this. The rules of contests I run are very clearly thought out in advance. They are explained very clearly to participants. Questions are welcomed however, none of the rules change to accommodate the ballot stuffers. Along with this, the rules apply across the board. Certainly there are participants in my contests that I know very well and for years, yet I will not skew the rules because of someone elses sense of entitlement. The contest was VERY poorly underwritten and is to me, embarrassing as a PR person. I have no dog in this fight, Del. I do not know Kristine. I did not vote in this contest. I don’t even particularly like Adam. However, what is right is right and what you and your wife are doing is called “bullying” through means of quiet intimidation, straight up and to the point. Sometimes bullies are not flagrant and in your face, but rather, sneaky and working their evil from behind the scenes. I just happened to see this come up on Twitter via mutual friends and decided to check out what was going on. A company as large as Chrysler should have had this PR company evaluated by their legal team, as well as their legal team consulted before writing to Kristin on behalf of Chrysler. Any rational person knows that there is a difference between one vote per person per day and one vote per computer per day. I have SEVEN computers in my home and if I had the want, I could have been voting for any of these contestants up to seven times a day with the way the phrasing was.

            That said, the right thing to do is scrap the entire contest, not just remove ONE participant when ALL involved were encouraging voting by any capricious means whatsoever. Further, it says quite clearly that any votes that are garnered by means that do not fit the terms of the contest will be removed, not the contestant themselves. Remember that in winning the battle, you can find yourself on the losing end of the war. Someday, the very rules that you are waving in the air can and will be used against you in the future as karmic retribution is alive and well in this world.

            Having said THAT, let me direct you to this quote of yours: “I feel really bad Krsitine and I am sorry that she got kicked out. That was not my intention nor did I go on a campaign to kick her out. ”

            If that were remotely true and if you really believed that Kristine was not to blame here and was falling victim to a PR firm who did not know how to promote and direct the contest appropriately, then you would be directly involved in the letter writing campaign, as would the OTHER contestants, to have Kristine reinstated or the contest scrapped and started over. However, I am fairly certain that none of you will step up to the plate over this injustice, as with one less horse in the race, it now increases your chances of winning. However, as I said earlier…winning the battle does not make you the victor in the war and someday, you will find yourself at the other end of this game. When that happens, you will scream “FOUL” at the top of your Twitter lungs with scarcely a soul who will care, because they will remember that when this injustice fell upon someone else, you stood idly by and allowed it to happen. Shame on ALL of you as finalists for not banding together as a group and VOLUNTARILY pulling out until the PR firm does the right thing by ALL of you and promotes a fair contest.

            Remember, a win by disqualification is not a win at all. But then again, as I said…you won’t care about that if the prize ultimately ends up on your doorstep. The wheels in the sky will continue to turn, however, and some day, it will turn upon YOU. Now is the time for you to rise up, be a man, do the RIGHT thing along with your wife and teach PR firms like this that they cannot use bloggers as pawns in their games. Are you going to do the right thing, Del? Do you REALLY feel bad about what happened to Kristine? Do you REALLY feel poorly that she fell victim to the rules, even though ALL of you were guilty of doing the same exact thing?

            Not a lesson I would want to teach my children. I strive not to live hypocritically and now is your time to do the same.

            Show us what you are made of and get the group of contestants together and say, Ignite Social Media? Do the right thing. You changed the game mid vote. Either we all ride to the end…or we all bow out and Chrysler will look the fool in the long run. You will have to answer to them and I am sure they will not be pleased to learn that you used their name in a contest that appears to be rigged. We as bloggers will not tolerate being used. Kristine should be reinstated.

            I mean, if you REALLY feel bad about it and all…*raised brow*

            Will you? Can you?

            The gauntlet has been thrown down. What will you do with it?

          5. @CP, this is the one post I’ve been waiting for. Thank you CP, for you seem to be the closest to a voice of reason. Five gold stars on your chart today. :)

          6. @megputo, I try…but after catching up on this melee, I doubt any one is remotely listening.

            Meh. This is why I started my own Marketing firm. I strive to be in life what others are still working on. It’s a fairly new concept for me…but, live, learn and grow.

            If you aren’t evolving, you’re dead.

            Thank you for the support.

            CP.

          7. @CP,
            Well said.

            I’d just like to add that I am a completely neutral observer, and the things I’m seeing from Del and Kristin are making me roll my eyes. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen drama related to them, and I always reserved judgement because I don’t know the other party either, and I don’t really care about other people’s BS when I have my own offline BS to deal with. But, if you guys are reading this? Your defensiveness is not doing you any favors. You just look desperate and paranoid. That may be the furthest thing from the truth; I really have no idea. But sometimes, the more emphatically you defend yourself, the more you make the accusations against you appear true. It’s an uncomfortable situation, I know. When I was called belligerent by a professor I wanted to defend myself, but anything I said would have only made him look right. I defended myself best by shutting my mouth.

            Good luck to everyone involved in getting it straightened out, but from what I can tell, the PR firm is booting a contestant for breaking rules rather than the votes…which is against their OWN rules. Hypocritical much? And if you’re going to boot THAT one, everyone who broke that “rule” (which seems not to be very firm according to the email anyway) should be booted. Best practice would be to scrap it and start over, but I LOVE Cher’s idea for the contestants to bow out. Anyone who does is getting added to my reader for doing the *right* thing, even when it sucks.

          8. @Del (@DelTheDad), Wow. Just…wow.

            I understand that you are sticking up for your wife, but don’t include ME in YOU ALL. If you had bothered to read all of the comments I (and KarenSugarpants too) stuck up for your wife when Adam accused her of drinking while she was pregnant. I also don’t like the fact that you got called a “wetback” – to me that’s along the same lines as calling someone the n-word (and as I am Black, that could sort-of offend me). However, in retrospect, I regret that decision and should have just piled onto the snark. It’s painfully obvious that you don’t get it.

            ::shakes head:: Viva Honda.

          9. @Del (@DelTheDad), My avi is showing up as your name. This comment here is from you, not me.

            Have no idea why I am showing up as you, but these words against Kristine Cook that you’ve written are NOT MINE.

          10. @Del (@DelTheDad), I appreciate your apology, but it feels diluted in the midst of this mess. I’m glad this is coming to an end, and I’ll be emailing you both privately…

          11. @Del (@DelTheDad), wow…so you dont like a cheat? How do you manage to like your wife then after the blogging world found out what a blogging cheat she is .Karma sure got your wife!

          12. @Hannah,

            If you read the actual tweets they were in no way bullying by nature. Yes there were a few tweets because on twitter you only have 140 characters. I really wished I had just emailed her looking back I know now she did not know. She doesn’t do these things often. I guess I didn’t look at it that way.

            I’m really sorry to Krsitine because now she’s not the only one in the wrong and yet she’s the one who got kicked out. I saw Shannon Gosney saying the exact same things she did except Shannon knew better!! I feel really bad about this whole thing, I am a very nice person who started online at 20 years old. Over the past 7 years I’ve managed to piss off a few women but I’ve grwon up a lot. So yes you have examples from two women who do not like me from years ago. I think its too bad that you used their words and ran with it not nowing me at all.

            I feel really bad Krsitine and I am sorry that she got kicked out. That was not my intention nor did I go on a campaign to kick her out. I wrote one blog post. I run a popular blog so it got a lot of attention much like yuor own blog here. I don’t think Kristine cheated or used ip proxy servers. I also don’t think she knew thats why she openly posted on her blog.

            Like I said I feel bad this whole thing is now much worse then it ever had to be. For that I am very sorry!

      2. @Avitable, Ehhh, two wrongs don’t make a right, do they? I refuse to side with anyone because it takes two to make drama (with the exception that one party is handicap or at some other disadvantage). This is all blown out of proportion. I’m glad it’s getting resolved…

  19. I sent the following to the contacts you listed at Ignite Social Media –

    Dear Mrs. Rawski/Mrs. Sullivan (<–respectively),

    I have been following the Chrysler blogger face-off contest as a fan of Kristine Cook, and I am very upset with the way the whole situation has been handled. I would like to request that you either reinstate her as a contestant, or re-do the whole contest, for reasons that are very candidly explained at http://www.avitable.com/2012/03/06/how-to-fail-at-running-a-contest-and-how-to-treat-bloggers-poorly-by-chrysler-and-ignite-social-media/ .

    In short, the other contestants made just as many references to procuring multiple votes by multiple means, and they were not disqualified from the contest. Also the rules of the contest state clearly that the VOTES will be disqualified that were obtained by violating the rules, not the CONTESTANT. The whole thing has been handled poorly and Kristine's fans would like you to make it right.

    Respectfully,

    Allison Musick – reader of Wait in the Van

    I hope they get so many emails that it makes them sit up and pay attention.

      1. @Avitable, the best part of that photo is that your left (my right) breast..boob…man chest (?) is a tad lower than the other one…and so is that other guy.

        I thought that only happened to women.

        I strangely feel better.

        1. @trisha, oh, it’s *your* breast, is it? Of course, I was posing like that to try to look like him (the other guy being Levi Johnston, Sarah Palin’s son-in-law). Normally, my breasts are perfect!

  20. This fight is nothing new. I don’t mean the one between the bloggers but the one regarding how online contest rules are not very clear. Go ahead and put the energy into it. But at the end of the day, this is only one of many cases. Companies will simply stop these types of promotions.

    1. @Diane, and if enough attention is drawn to the errors that occur, companies will take notice and develop some responsibility and transparency with regards to contests and competitions like this.

      1. @Avitable, Good point, but this has been going on for years now. And as a result I see the number of these interactive contests decreasing. Not worth the headache for the entrant nor company. What is suppose to create buzz just creates more drama.

        You know how grade school kids bicker and whine too much. Teacher has got to crack the whip.

        Not so fun when grown-ups can’t even get along and play nice with each other.

  21. My thoughts: kids are dying all over the world and can we focus on important issues? Perspective!
    I am not a fan of bullies. I’m not a fan of putting other people down. I’m not a fan of people having their feelings hurt. Heck, last night on The Bachelor, I even felt sorry for Courtney. As mean as she was, a dozen girls ganging up on her and making her cry (yeah, yeah, reality tv…) was not okay.
    I do think shedding light on any major corporation running a contest wrong is okay, though.

  22. So let me get this straight…because I by nature am an underwriter so it is in my inherent nature to question the details. Chrysler, a large corporation, hired some PR company to run a contest for these mommies. It started with writing an essay I am guesstimating based on their bit with the “voting” page. So rather than being big boys and girls and “promoting”these moms who qualified for the essay part they went out and said “hey, let’s have a vote off like we do for Prom King and Queen and really fuck the system and promote that way” rather than having the balls of corporate minded individuals and saying you know…let’s look at the resume/portfolio of those who are in the running and make an executive decision…like they do when they hire a figurehead for the organization…stop me anytime if I am off keister here. I don’t know, I think they went to so much trouble to make these rules up as they go and as they saw fit and to appease some juvenile blogger (s)who whined harder and cried “attorney” just like they did in comments here all for the sake of what? What really is at stake here? Because I see that this is just like Darwinian thinking of “survival of the fittest” but the fittest are who can cause a stink over semantics and poor guidelines in a contest, not those who got the job done with getting the votes. Okay…done with my rant.

      1. @Avitable, what’s even more pathetic is that these events are only boosting the exposure of Chrysler and Ignite because some juvenile threw a temper tantrum about losing. So she is taking her ball from the play yard and guess what….Chrysler and Ignite still win. I am thinking that they knew that these events would happen…but just a theory.

        1. @Karie, the problem is that she “did not take her ball from the play yard.” The whiner, even after posting on her own blog that she was done with the contest, has yet to withdraw herself from the contest. I think the whole thing boils down to the fact that she was not winning and got her feelings hurt.

          I feel most sorry for her children-she is raising them to not be competitive, and if you don’t win, throw a temper tantrum and someone will do something to appease you. ‘Cause you know…that’s how real life works.

          1. @Leah, Which again her actions do not surprise me. She & her side-kick companion act so sanctimonious and if she has the highest of standards, but they don’t…clearly. If you ask me, if I was one of them, I would have dropped out just for sheer principle, not whined and had a tantrum of “everyone’s picking on me”, but made a stink about how shady and ambiguous the Ignite and Chrysler so called “rules and regulations” are for their little student council style voting process.

            Maybe even gone as far to not giveaway their “bribery of good faith” for being so slack ass on SOP and transparency. But hey, I am not about the loot, don’t need it, but I guess others are and are willing to grapple, back bite, and lower themselves to catfish (bottom feeding) standards to “get ahead” well then good for them, hope they feel like an escort rather than a prostitute.

  23. I saw this yesterday, and went to all the blogger’s sites. It’s bullying, it’s wrong. Chrysler and Ruiz can’t operate this way.

    The rest of my feelings, I won’t say.

    But, we all know what we have to do: and I’m going to vote for Shannon, and RT, and contact Chrysler. And let Kristine know I hear her story.

  24. WTH?

    WHY is my avatar showing up as Kristin Ruiz/ HUSBAND and his comment showing as mine?

    I did not say that long comment up there.

    That is not me.

    HAVE NO IDEA how I am showing up as this blogger.

      1. @Avitable,

        There’s a piece of advice that’s given in relationships – “If it’s more than two, it’s YOU,” meaning that repeat problems point to the person complaining, rather than their partner.

        I remember the Tanya/Kristin situation in 2009, this now, and the revelation of the theft of Amalah’s work. I think that this pretty much speaks to where the problem is.

        (and Tanya, I know it sucks that you had to wait so long, but I think many more people are seeing what you did a long time ago…)

        Del, at this point, you may just want to shut the fuck up. Let your wife speak for herself, and you speak ONLY for yourself. You know, like typical couples tend to do…

  25. What a clusterfuck. This a great study in why voting contests are always a bad idea, especially with prizes that make people a bit crazy. My guess is that everyone involved probably wishes they’d never even heard of this and wishes they could have gone back and used their time in a better manner. Imagine if that same amount of effort had gone into a fundraising project for their favorite charity.

    To Ignite Social Media: This will get worse before it gets better so bite the bullet and make this right so you can stop this before it becomes something more embarrassing. If you can’t afford to send all of the contestants to NY then at least give all of them a couple of i-pads each to compensate for that the fact that you created a flawed contest and maybe all of this will settle down and we can get back to more important things on the internet. Like videos of hedgehogs taking baths and kittens falling off of tables.

    1. @Jenny, Bloggess,

      Hi Jenny, thanks for the suggestion. We think we did the only thing we could do given the rules and the situation.

      Having said that, it’s clear that our promotion, which was designed to be fun for all of the bloggers participating, has clearly not been fun for some of them.

      As a result, I’d be happy to provide each of the 10 bloggers with either an iPad2 or with a $500 Donor’s Choose gift card to donate to the educational cause(s) of their choice.

      Hopefully this will make up for some of the more unfortunate drama.

      I’ll contact all 10 bloggers (the 5 mentioned here and 5 auto bloggers who are also participating) individually.

      Jim

      1. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, I think that goes a long way towards making things right. Would it be too much to ask for some type of post on your site discussing the situation and explaining that the rules were unclear and the voting portion of it flawed?

        1. @Avitable,

          As I told Kristine on the phone, we’re certainly going to look internally at how we got from Point A (fun promotion designed to showcase our blog partners and our client blog) to Point B (drama). I think Kristine would say we had a nice, candid discussion.

          When this is done, we’re going to look at that from a lot of angles (tech, rules, what we did, what others did).

          My first priority, however, is to communicate with each of these 10 bloggers, as I promised above. And then take a step back and see what they all had to say, what we think happened internally, and what, if anything, we should do beyond what we’re doing.

          Jim

          1. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, I can appreciate that, just like I’m sure that you can appreciate that if social media is indeed a cocktail party, there are always rumors and people talking behind backs and that transparency is one of the only defenses to that. I hope you’re able to consider an apology and explanation in a public post to be an appropriate response.

      2. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, and Kristin Ruiz wins again! Wow, an IPad2 for her, I think that this might be her 3rd. She sold one, received one from Pampers and now one from this mess. I don’t know when Pr’s and Companies are going to avoid the Ruiz train wreck but I wished it would happen soon. She and her husband have a history here Jim with not getting their way and throwing a public Twitter/blog post tantrum. I happened to comment this on Kristine’s blog post the other day, and I wished that ALL Pr reps and companies would take notice that they are a bunch of crybabies who ALWAYS end up getting SOMETHING out of a situation!! I think that they could write a book on it! Or better yet a Tweet and blog post. This is what I posted {copy and pasted from her post} Elizabeth

        When I first saw that Kristin was working this around by claiming you were cheating because you were in the lead and asking Chrysler to remove her from the contest I knew that she was up to something. This is kind of what she does. When something doesn’t go her way she or Del gets up on their soapbox and shouts it from the rooftops. And when Kristin finally shuts her mouth about it, Del is still right there stirring the drama. He’s a bit of a drama “queen” if you ask me. Anyways. She did something similar last year with The Children’s Place. I forget the incident but she wasn’t pleased about what happened, I think something that happened in their store, and she and Del publicly snubbed them on Twitter. And what happened…a couple of weeks later she is working with them and hosting a gift card giveaway!! WTF?! Same thing here…she talks about not wanting to ever be in something like this again and lo and behold…she remains in the contest and begs for votes after getting rid of her biggest competition {you}. I have learned that this is her thing. When something doesn’t go her way she works backasswards to get it her way. It’s just a freaking shame that she’s still getting offers, trips, ambassadorships and what not, when there are plenty of other bloggers out there that deserve them! She is one of the bloggers, I believe that started this whole blogging drama mama mess!! Oh and completely off topic….her kids are getting older and so there for to stay in the big time review blogging you really gotta have a baby or toddler and whatdayaknow…she’s pregnant with another one! Coincidence? I think not! Ohhhh…and the first year that Disney hosted their conference she was invited…but last year she was not because they did the first come first serve sign up. She didn’t get it and lashed out against it via Twitter and her blog {and her husband}. Although she still didn’t get to attend I believe she was compensated in some other way because all of a sudden they both shut their mouths about Disney and the situation and was very thankful of one of the main Pr reps behind the conference. This is just who Kristin is. I hope that this Shannon Gosney wins because it would be a shame to see such trash win!

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        And then Tanya Gordon commented that it happened with Kristin and a Facebook competition for a paid social media position. She didn’t win and pitched a fit. Yep, I remember that incident too. So you see Kristin from Our Ordinary Life, is the LAST blogger you want working for you or your company. And to think she’s getting a degree in social media. Yikes!!

        1. @Elizabeth, Oh Dear God. I haven’t seen the Kristin/Del tag team around since 2009 when I stepped out of the Mommy blogging realm. Nice to know nothing has changed. I don’t know him personally. I don’t know her personally. But their legacy and reputation are widely known in our little blogging community and definitely precedes them. Embarrassing that even tiny little fledgling PR firms like mine know better how to run a contest…and whenever you do “popularity” versus “substance” this is the foolishness that arises from it. You don’t need a degree in Social Media to know this. It’s basic common sense. Ballot stuffing has gone on since the first caveman wrote his name on an extra rock and shoved it into the fire pit. Why would any large PR firm or Social Media firm think a popularity contest would be a good thing? When you make people have to pander for votes, it always becomes unscrupulous.

          Do they not remember the Gore/Bush/Palm Beach, Florida scandal?

          For shame, Ignite SM. For shame.

      3. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, The way I see it, Jim…you remind me of the mother who hands the haughty children a cookie when they misbehave because it is far easier to placate the whiny petulant child than take the time and responsibility to put them into time out and then, explain to them WHY they are in trouble.

        Quite honestly, bad behavior was displayed all the way around and it appears as if you are trying to, dare I say, buy the silence?

        If we held this entire situation under a microscope, however, we would see that the germ that started the pandemic began with your PR firm. It was your lack of of cohesive rules and then, your willingness to change them for the squeaky wheel that started this spiral of nonsense. Lovely that you are willing to hand out iPads for this to just go away…however, what you have done to we bloggers, on a whole, makes an indelible impression to the world that our integrity can be purchased. While that is true for some (read: Del, Kristin…maybe even Kristine. I don’t know. I don’t know her), it is not true for most of us who have been at this crazy blogging game for nearly a decade.

        The RIGHT thing to do, the only reasonably acceptable thing to do, is to issue an explanation to everyone as to what happened, how it happened, how it will be prevented in the future and have it accompany an apology. Then, if you would like to conclude with your brib…er, gifts to the contestants who were involved, by all means, do so. However, you have succeeded in making us all look like no holds barred crazies who would do any thing short of shanking their own mother for an iPad. For some of us, our writing is our living.
        Our reputations are important to us. Many of us write sponsored posts and are trusted in the blog community to be an accurate reflection of the consumer want and need.

        Take the responsibility of publishing a letter of explanation as to how this whole frenzied episode came to be so that the rest of America can go back to trusting our opinions and believe that not all of us are so desperate for an iPad that we would say or do any thing to another human being simply to obtain one.

        You want to know what you should be doing beyond what you are doing? Working on that apology letter and explanation on how you people changed up the game in the midst of the play. You made some very credible people look foolish and you made some very foolish people look credible.

        You cannot un-ring a bell, but you can make sure the bell no longer rings until the game is officially over.

        Sincerely,
        Cher Tushiah
        Social Media Marketing Consultant and
        Owner of “Let Me Shop It For You”

      4. @Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media, Also, please…let me know which of the Bloggers opted to take the $500 donor card over the iPad, because those will be the bloggers I will be supporting from now on as opposed to the ones who grab the iPad and run.

        I can almost guarantee you that I can write a list right now as to who will pick what and be 100% on the money.

        In short, just send the iPads. I don’t really believe you will be needing to buy those donor cards. That’s what I would do, personally, but that’s because A) I’m a bleeding heart liberal and B) I can’t stand Apple products.

          1. @Kristine,

            I love how some are justifying it, with nonsense like, “Someone told me that most non-profits can’t even do anything with $500.”

            As one who runs a non-profit, trust me…when we get a $500 donation, it is a happy day indeed! So much good left to do in the world, and EVERY bit helps. $500, in my world, is a lot of bits.

  26. This whole thing is really a mess. Ignite SM did a very bad job of communicating the rules, given that their own staff gave misleading information. And frankly, they should have known better than to do any kind of voting thing, given the fact that everyone and their pet rock knows that voting contests are always riggable. The worst part is that everyone, including Ignite SM, Chrysler and all the bloggers have now got black eyes out of it, which sucks for them all because this little world doesn’t forget.

    1. @zchamu, Ignite put on the SAM-e contest I (regrettably) took part in a couple of years back. I got to the finalist level before deciding I couldn’t continue.

      I have no doubt that cheating was rampant in that contest as well, which is part of the reason I regret participating. But only PART of the reason. Annoying my friends and pimping myself out shamelessly rank up high among the other reasons.

      I actually wrote to Ignite after dropping out, expressing my issues with the contest and they responded very graciously and thanked me for my feedback. It looks like they may have structured this contest differently than the SAM-e one, and it was an improvement. But I wish companies would stop doing these voting contests entirely; they are just asking for drama, and really aren’t a good use of the bloggers’ time.

  27. Can you track how many times I have started to comment, deleted, and then started again?

    These companies creating contests and charging companies for them should take note from carpenters and their adage of measuring twice and cutting once.

    Poor planning, poor execution and a spineless response.

    What a bust.

  28. 1.) Voting contests are THE DEBBIL.

    2.) Ignite SM clearly messed this up. There was misleading information provided by a staff member, which confused things, and the resulting chaos has not been addressed fairly or evenly.

    3.) Nobody is coming out of this looking good. The PR side has been a cluster, but the mad grappling and scrambling and vote-begging and name-calling on the blogger side has involved its own share of ugly. As Shannon said above, everyone has black eyes, and that’s a shame. Sadly, it seems to be part and parcel of how a vote-based campaign often turns out, which seems to me to be a very good reason to avoid them entirely.

    4.) I’m really made uncomfortable by the meanspiritedness that I’m seeing here. There’s bullying coming from all directions and it’s more than a little sick-making. You may not like some of the players in the game (and in the spirit of disclosure, I know none of them, so I don’t have a personal stake here), but it demeans the whole community to make allegations and call names. And no, saying that it’s fine to bully a bully doesn’t make it okay. Be better than that.

    The PR story here is worth sharing and discussing and seeking answers for. But I can’t in good conscience share it myself because there’s too much blogger bashing going on here, and I can’t support that.

    1. @Catherine/Her Bad Mother, sometimes you do have to bully a bully in order to make a point. It’s not something I’d ever do except as a last resort.

      I think you could share this with your own disclaimer about the behavior – it’s an important enough issue that I think it overrides that.

      You can definitely see the crazy running through here though, and while it may have gotten a little out-of-hand, I think your voice is important one. I’d hate to see you let that prevent you from supporting it in some way.

      1. @Avitable, I have to say, working alongside a few bullies at my office is completely maddening. DRAMA. Makes it difficult to get an REAL work done. They hide behind the ‘no bully zone’ sign and are vicious when things do not go their way. Sometimes it is hard to tell who the ‘real’ bully is especially since it takes two…

        I can’t say this enough… people are involved as much as they want to be. There’s an off button on the computer last time I checked!

        I wish I had one for work, lol.

    2. @Catherine/Her Bad Mother, I’m confused. Hasn’t Babble been tormenting the entire Internet by making people vote to make the Best Mom Blogger list for years? Without the benefit of winning an iPad. Seriously.

      1. @Chris, the top mom blog lists at Babble have never run on a voting system. There is a ‘nominate a blogger’ feature that is deployed after the list is published, to give people the opportunity to suggest bloggers who they think were overlooked, but the lists themselves are curated and ranked by outside panels. No voting on those lists, ever.

  29. When will bloggers and companies learn that these voting things aren’t mutually beneficial? The large company is essentially “getting the bloggers to do it” all the way to the bank.

    You either want that blogger and their influence, or you don’t. If you do, then contract for a real benefit to both sides.

    Don’t even start me on the , “Mommies love a fun contest!” mentality, either.

  30. One of the bigger issues that no one has mentioned is how the “couple” can write a blog. post tweets and have followers with HOW they write. Say what you want but you can tell a lot about bloggers who can’t even take the time to use correct punctuation and capitalization. It shows laziness and more times than not, reveals exactly what we are all witnessing: whiny “writers” who have no business writing anything at all. Of course they are bullying and yelling. Constructing actual written thought passed them by a long time ago.

    As far as the actual ass rape of a contest, the more this goes on, the more it will bury Ignite Social Media. And if a respectable and honest blogger such as Kristine @waitinthevan thrown out because of unclear “official” rules, then we better make sure the spineless, cowering to a bully Ignite Social Media goes down. And the funny thing is that they could very easily make this right. And it would be justified.

    This is sad for all bloggers.

    They (Ignite and “the couple”) are simply falling and trying to grab a rope that isn’t secure. Time and our diligence will definately win out.

    Kristine, you are one of the best out there. Many a blogger have your back. Adam, you have my respect for taking this on. Well done.

    -And please…no one critique my grammar. :)

  31. As I sit here in my own episode of “Is this How People Do Business?” I am floored by this. Why do companies think it’s OK to bully customers? I don’t get it then again I don’t understand a lot of things about people as of late.

      1. @Avitable, this is the reply I got from Ignite Social Media’s Christian.

        Miller,

        Thanks for taking the time to write. We feel like this is a difficult situation, but that we had very little choice. I can honestly say that we all feel badly that this promotion, which was designed to be a fun showcase for some bloggers we admire, has created so much drama for several of them.

        The rules say (in Section 9) that we have the right to “disqualify any individual who is responsible or who tampers with the entry process.” And in Section 4, it says that each entrant agreed to be bound by and follow the rules. So when a contestant encourages their followers to bypass the IP block, as happened here, the rules are fairly clear.

        That, however, doesn’t change the fact that we’re saddened by the outcome and we’ll be reaching out to each of our entrants individually about that.

        Sincerely,
        Christian

        To which I replied by showing her the screenshot from Kristin’s blog, and pasting the link there so she could see for herself. If they’re going to throw the rules at Kristine, they should throw them at EVERYONE who “broke” them.

  32. Wow, just wow. This certainly blew up in the past 24 hours. I am seriously chagrined by the way Ignite Media and by extension Chrysler have handled this ENTIRE situation and not because I’m friends with any of the bloggers, I honestly don’t know any of them IRL. As an aside, I’m also disappointed by the number of seemingly adult people responding to bullying with questionable behavior of their own. Kristine (from WITV) was wronged by the people at Ignite Media (ensuring I will never use them for anything and will also make sure my colleagues know not to use them either) via their obvious failure to equally apply their poorly written & communicated rules. If Kristine is to be DQ’d (& btw I do agree with everyone else, the rules say the votes will be DQ’d and not the blogger) then so should every other blogger who wrote anything about circumventing those rules. Ignite Media assigned motive to Kristine (when it was painfully obvious to even her newer readers that she was being humorous) while allowing the other bloggers to claim they were just pointing out the snafu in the voting system is a joke. Moreover, shame on Ignite Media for even giving the slightest appearance of playing into another blogger with a long and very public history of getting what they want from companies by badmouthing them. As far as Mr. & Mrs. Ruiz, I say this with the same amount of kindness I use with everyone, you seriously need to stop talking and walk away, you are digging yourselves a bigger hole and continuing to make yourselves look worse. Image is everything in the digital world and I am walking away from this interaction with a very poor image of Ignite, Chrysler and the two of you.

      1. @Avitable, Clearly you’re teasing me. But I like it.
        The power of the internet and social media is amazing and scary. I’m pleased to see the update from Ignite. I do appreciate that they’re acknowledging their imperfections and agreeing to look at how things can be done differently in the future.

  33. I posted this above in response to Jim’s comment about the iPad2’s but I realize that not all people read through comments and I wasn’t sure if you would actually receive and email with the comment I made since it was a reply. Not entirely sure how all that works, so I wanted to paste my comment from above.

    and Kristin Ruiz wins again! Wow, an IPad2 for her, I think that this might be her 3rd. She sold one, received one from Pampers and now one from this mess. I don’t know when Pr’s and Companies are going to avoid the Ruiz train wreck but I wished it would happen soon. She and her husband have a history here Jim with not getting their way and throwing a public Twitter/blog post tantrum. I happened to comment this on Kristine’s blog post the other day, and I wished that ALL Pr reps and companies would take notice that they are a bunch of crybabies who ALWAYS end up getting SOMETHING out of a situation!! I think that they could write a book on it! Or better yet a Tweet and blog post. This is what I posted {copy and pasted from her post} Elizabeth

    When I first saw that Kristin was working this around by claiming you were cheating because you were in the lead and asking Chrysler to remove her from the contest I knew that she was up to something. This is kind of what she does. When something doesn’t go her way she or Del gets up on their soapbox and shouts it from the rooftops. And when Kristin finally shuts her mouth about it, Del is still right there stirring the drama. He’s a bit of a drama “queen” if you ask me. Anyways. She did something similar last year with The Children’s Place. I forget the incident but she wasn’t pleased about what happened, I think something that happened in their store, and she and Del publicly snubbed them on Twitter. And what happened…a couple of weeks later she is working with them and hosting a gift card giveaway!! WTF?! Same thing here…she talks about not wanting to ever be in something like this again and lo and behold…she remains in the contest and begs for votes after getting rid of her biggest competition {you}. I have learned that this is her thing. When something doesn’t go her way she works backasswards to get it her way. It’s just a freaking shame that she’s still getting offers, trips, ambassadorships and what not, when there are plenty of other bloggers out there that deserve them! She is one of the bloggers, I believe that started this whole blogging drama mama mess!! Oh and completely off topic….her kids are getting older and so there for to stay in the big time review blogging you really gotta have a baby or toddler and whatdayaknow…she’s pregnant with another one! Coincidence? I think not! Ohhhh…and the first year that Disney hosted their conference she was invited…but last year she was not because they did the first come first serve sign up. She didn’t get it and lashed out against it via Twitter and her blog {and her husband}. Although she still didn’t get to attend I believe she was compensated in some other way because all of a sudden they both shut their mouths about Disney and the situation and was very thankful of one of the main Pr reps behind the conference. This is just who Kristin is. I hope that this Shannon Gosney wins because it would be a shame to see such trash win!

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    And then Tanya Gordon commented that it happened with Kristin and a Facebook competition for a paid social media position. She didn’t win and pitched a fit. Yep, I remember that incident too. So you see Kristin from Our Ordinary Life, is the LAST blogger you want working for you or your company. And to think she’s getting a degree in social media. Yikes!!

    1. @Elizabeth, I think I love you. Perfect post, yet again! I think Kristin needs to get a different degree because she obviously has no knowledge in PR other than how to scam people out of things and back talk the companies that work with her. Why do people want to work with her… we’ll never know. Her husband didn’t even complete high school and he goes to ‘college’ for yoga yet claims he’s in political science. Poor dope can’t even spell, let alone get a degree in anything other than stupidity.

      1. Why do you let people who clearly hate us lead your group?
        Here is Tanya picking on my kids, seriously my 2 and 6 year old. And this is the person you feel was bullied by me and justified you dragging us around the net?
        http://www.delthedad.com/2011/04/13/tanya-gordon-and-how-she-has-harassed-and-stalked-my-wife-and-i/

        And some more examples of what she has done to my wife and I, not the most credible person to use as your proof of us being bullies.
        http://www.delthedad.com/category/mommy-gaggles/

        You all should learn to find out more about situations instead of just making things up to make the other side look bad. I said why I was upset with Kristine, and nothing more.

        1. @Del (@DelTheDad), I just heard the playing of the world’s saddest song on the world’s smallest violin. Would you like sme cheese with that whine? How does it taste? You know.. my name coming out of that illiterate mouth of yours? It must really suck to be so obsessed with me. Get off your lazy ass and get a job because obviously your college degree won’t land you a job.

          1. @Tanya You just prove my point Tanya, good to see you actually have some gall to talk online. Are you going to use this as your evidence of harrassment? Now I have you talking, why do you use Kristin’s pictures and harass her? I had to post what you have said to bring attention to the fact you wont leave her alone. All you do is insult people, and that shows a lot of your character. You have brought upon your loss of everything due to the way to act. You become friends with these people, You just followed them when this started) cause you read my tweets and follow what I do. You send false letters to police, FBI, DOJ, and twitter saying I make death threats. I have them since you sent them to my attorney. You continuing to prove the point that your a bitter person and cannot leave Kristin alone, which is why people have moved away from you. You bring upon your downfall. You have nothing to do with this, but you make it your prime objective for the last few days. But you have a lot fo free time, which can be seen in your twitter stream and the fact you live in a town for a few thousand. Good luck Tanya, but you seem to ruin it for yourself. And its good to see you trying to get these humor bloggers to pick on us, since it didnt quite work out with momdot now.

          2. Tanya, my point of showing what you have done is to discount your accusations. You know, I have picked on you, yet you have no proof, and I have proof that you continue for years to try and harass us. Seriously, do you not get it, the screenshots on my blog are what you said. You cant get past that, you may want to seek out some counseling to get your mind on to more positive things.

          3. @Tanya, I used to believe all the bull crap that Kristin and Del bellowed out of their loud mouths via posts and Twitter of how life was unfair because a company had done them wrong or somebody was being mean to them, but after circumstance after circumstance happen (and here’s another one) it’s hard not to see through their fake facade. And the ones who always complain about drama (Kristin and Del) are the ones that start it. And I agree…Guy needs to get a job! Looking at his Twitter timeline you can obviously see where he spends his time. Speaking of not being able to spell – I was shocked to find out that she landed a gig with Babble. I have seen so many misspellings on her blog it’s ridiculous! Running spell check can go a long way when your blogging.

          4. @Elizabeth, It’s a shame to see that many grammatical errors, isn’t it? I am online a lot some days and not so much other days. I have a daily work & online schedule. I get more online access when my husband (who works outside the home full time) is home. We partner in everything, including with my blog and computer time. When one is unemployed and on government assistance with no plans to GET a job – it’s amazing to see how much time they spend bashing other people. Thank you for seeing my point. :)

          5. @Tanya, it’s got to be the government assistance! Dang it, I hate to know that my and my husband’s hard earned taxes are going to people like this that sit around online all day looking for ways to get things to go their way by making life miserable for everybody else. And I remember her stating sometime or another that they weren’t on any kind of assistance but without assistance how else can she be attending college (it’s expensive), and how else can they only buy organic food (it’s expensive), and all those blogging trips (it’s expensive), and expensive clothes she buys! I would buy organic food too if I had food stamps and I would make sure to attend every conference I could if I didn’t have to spend money on food or school. BUT, unlike others we work, pay for our food out of our pockets and after bills are paid for can’t afford to pay for elaborate trips. Not to mention all the trips they take without their kids! But looking back with her past trip to Ohio (at the beginning of this contest) she and Del went (paid for of course) but didn’t take her kids! WTF? If I were to be sent on a paid trip I would have to turn it down if my kids were not to be included. After all she’s a “mom blogger”, shouldn’t she have taken her kids to Ohio so that she could talk about the things that you could do as a family. Ahhh, well. All of this will continue to go on because Del will never work and constantly stalk every mom blogger that will ever have anything within a 5 mile radius of the blogsphere to do with Kristin. And Kristin will continue to be a cry baby when things don’t go her way. And for some strange cracked out reason all these companies and pr reps will continue to work with her. I will never understand how it all works out for people like that.

          6. Using Adamas blog to taalk trash about me. That’s not what this was created for have some class. why wouldn’t you do it to my face when I saw you? You’re a coward who hides behind your computer screen, you won’t even put this on your own blog becasuse I’ll prove yet again how you constinue to stalk and harass me just as you are doing here. Don’t you see how immature you are? Everyone else does, read the nice comments by level headed well known bloggers. You should be ashamed no wonder brands don’t work with you and you’re just mad because my hard work shows and brands LOVE me. Take a good objective look in the mirror its sad that you find one situation and involve yourself.

            Give it up AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MY LIFE AND YOU NEVER WILL!!

            I’m no longer going to spam Adams blog with trash and this is….yes drama. What happened with Kristine totally blew up and the two situations are not connected. Making personal attacks about my life shows how classless you are.

            You can stop pretending to be Elizabeth too. ;)

            Next time I see you, say this all to my face. You coward.

        2. @Del (@DelTheDad), You sure do spend a lot of time explaining yourself.

          I asked you in an earlier post to do the right thing and ask Ignite to scrap the whole contest and re-do it, or to ban together and insist that Kristine be re-instated so that a fair playing field is had by all.

          Curious…did you do either of those things?

          I’m thinking you didn’t…but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

          Please…end my suspense!

  34. I’ve seen it said that this isn’t/wasn’t about things. It was principle.

    Given that, I’d challenge the bloggers that are made to offer to choose to donate. If you’re looking for an educational cause, I suggest Kids Kicking Cancer. They educate children on coping mechanisms and the strength within themselves. They were instrumental in helping my daughter transition from this life.

    Go ahead. Dare you :)
    http://powerpeacepurpose.com/

      1. @Avitable, Hm. That IS a good point. I was originally of Wendy’s mindset, but you are right. Ignite would totally spin that and use the puppets, er, bloggers, more than they already have to make them look like Princes.

        Good point. Take the iPad. Sell it. Then donate to charity.

        Heh…like THAT would happen.

  35. My thoughts on this:

    1) The people in charge of the campaign are utter noobs. Using multiple browsers and multiple systems for virtual ballot stuffing has been around for ages, and they should have done something to manage that. I’m surprised that release/renew wasn’t utilized as a tactic.

    2) You friend knew she was gaming the system, to declare otherwise is tantamount to willful ignorance. That’s poor sportsmanship in the vacuum of the contest setting, no matter how you slice it. However, I have no moral issues with the strategy, and it’s a “smart” thing to do. Of course, if it were me and I had been caught, I would accept the fact like a grownup, because I would have known full well that that I was exploiting the rules.

    3) Name calling on the internet, lol. Consider the source and act appropriately;l don’t let the e-thugs wad you up.

    4) If the other people were gaming the system, then they should also be kicked out, OR, they should allow the contest to continue, with all of the participants, and may the best exploiter win.

    5) IMO the whole promotion should be held up as an example of what not to do.

    1. @jaek,
      1) Totally agree. Utter amateurish mistake.

      2) ALL parties, save for ONE that I saw, were plotting, planning, pandering and playing the system. All of them. Ergo, the rules need to apply to all. They all should be disqualified. Actually, that would lead to stigma. The right thing to do is to quietly end the contest, have Ignite write a letter admitting that they were at fault for changing the game midway through and using language that was loosely worded and subject to interpretation (kind of like the Constitution).

      3) Ridiculous. Bad case of “Computer Cock”…similar to Beer Balls, minus the beer and smell of desperation.

      4) See #2.

      5) Agreed. Again.

  36. Jen says “Wow, and I just discovered you can game the system (you know, cheat)”

    Or in more cynical terms…”I just discovered that I can con people into disqualifying themselves by blatantly violating the rules”

  37. My comments to Kristine are in my twitter stream and I posted them above, again they are there for everyone to read, so before you insist they are gone, go and look. Here is links to the screenshots for those who dont want to look, but insist I did deleted them.

    Again lies continue and many of you with your pitchforks ignore the facts. I stated before I was harsh for calling her a bully ( I just wanted the remark removed, sorry I was upset my wife was called a skank out of your humor, which is nothing compared to what we have been called now or the rumors and lies being spread by you all about us), but regardless what has been pressed towards me is nothing to why I was upset at the facts I stated in my tweets. I get I deserve to be bashed online by people who pride themself in being mean, not my thing, but not much I can do.

    1. @Del (@DelTheDad), Apparently, you are ignoring me, likely because what I am saying makes perfect sense. However, in the unlikely event you didn’t see my post from last night…allow me to REPOST:

      I don’t think this is “picking on people” so much as it is a PR firm not understanding that they have a certain amount of accountability. You cannot just make up rules all willy nilly and change them midstream to accommodate the squeaky wheels as it goes along. PR firms are paid large amount of money to get it right the first time. This is not any thing more than stuffing the Prom King/Queen ballot box. It’s not a competition of talent, it is a popularity contest at this point and no one is winning based on merit. It’s ridiculous and not the way a large company like Chrysler should be running a contest. I own a very small PR and marketing firm now and even I know better than this. The rules of contests I run are very clearly thought out in advance. They are explained very clearly to participants. Questions are welcomed however, none of the rules change to accommodate the ballot stuffers. Along with this, the rules apply across the board. Certainly there are participants in my contests that I know very well and for years, yet I will not skew the rules because of someone elses sense of entitlement. The contest was VERY poorly underwritten and is to me, embarrassing as a PR person. I have no dog in this fight, Del. I do not know Kristine. I did not vote in this contest. I don’t even particularly like Adam. However, what is right is right and what you and your wife are doing is called “bullying” through means of quiet intimidation, straight up and to the point. Sometimes bullies are not flagrant and in your face, but rather, sneaky and working their evil from behind the scenes. I just happened to see this come up on Twitter via mutual friends and decided to check out what was going on. A company as large as Chrysler should have had this PR company evaluated by their legal team, as well as their legal team consulted before writing to Kristin on behalf of Chrysler. Any rational person knows that there is a difference between one vote per person per day and one vote per computer per day. I have SEVEN computers in my home and if I had the want, I could have been voting for any of these contestants up to seven times a day with the way the phrasing was.

      That said, the right thing to do is scrap the entire contest, not just remove ONE participant when ALL involved were encouraging voting by any capricious means whatsoever. Further, it says quite clearly that any votes that are garnered by means that do not fit the terms of the contest will be removed, not the contestant themselves. Remember that in winning the battle, you can find yourself on the losing end of the war. Someday, the very rules that you are waving in the air can and will be used against you in the future as karmic retribution is alive and well in this world.

      Having said THAT, let me direct you to this quote of yours: “I feel really bad Krsitine and I am sorry that she got kicked out. That was not my intention nor did I go on a campaign to kick her out. ”

      If that were remotely true and if you really believed that Kristine was not to blame here and was falling victim to a PR firm who did not know how to promote and direct the contest appropriately, then you would be directly involved in the letter writing campaign, as would the OTHER contestants, to have Kristine reinstated or the contest scrapped and started over. However, I am fairly certain that none of you will step up to the plate over this injustice, as with one less horse in the race, it now increases your chances of winning. However, as I said earlier…winning the battle does not make you the victor in the war and someday, you will find yourself at the other end of this game. When that happens, you will scream “FOUL” at the top of your Twitter lungs with scarcely a soul who will care, because they will remember that when this injustice fell upon someone else, you stood idly by and allowed it to happen. Shame on ALL of you as finalists for not banding together as a group and VOLUNTARILY pulling out until the PR firm does the right thing by ALL of you and promotes a fair contest.

      Remember, a win by disqualification is not a win at all. But then again, as I said…you won’t care about that if the prize ultimately ends up on your doorstep. The wheels in the sky will continue to turn, however, and some day, it will turn upon YOU. Now is the time for you to rise up, be a man, do the RIGHT thing along with your wife and teach PR firms like this that they cannot use bloggers as pawns in their games. Are you going to do the right thing, Del? Do you REALLY feel bad about what happened to Kristine? Do you REALLY feel poorly that she fell victim to the rules, even though ALL of you were guilty of doing the same exact thing?

      Not a lesson I would want to teach my children. I strive not to live hypocritically and now is your time to do the same.

      Show us what you are made of and get the group of contestants together and say, Ignite Social Media? Do the right thing. You changed the game mid vote. Either we all ride to the end…or we all bow out and Chrysler will look the fool in the long run. You will have to answer to them and I am sure they will not be pleased to learn that you used their name in a contest that appears to be rigged. We as bloggers will not tolerate being used. Kristine should be reinstated.

      I mean, if you REALLY feel bad about it and all…*raised brow*

      Will you? Can you?

      The gauntlet has been thrown down. What will you do with it?

  38. Here is the links to my tweets, which are still on my twitter stream. If my wife would not have been called the name and it allowed to stay, it would have all gone different. But since I said something about it, we are deserving of real name calling. Ruined my experience with “humor” bloggers online.

    http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan1.jpg

    http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan2.jpg

    http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan3.jpg

    http://www.ourordinarylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WaitInTheVan4.jp

  39. Good God Adam has this Del Dimwit taken over your comment screen.

    He hasn’t had this much action since he made his wife preggers the last time. Was that the time she drank wine?

    FFS I’d be a raging alcoholic if I was married to such an ass!

  40. Holy crap. I don’t even remember how I ended up here, but it’s like a text version of a bad reality show on Bravo.

    I’m not in this contest and am not involved in any way. From the looks of it, I should be thankful.

    If you’re involved, my subtle, unsolicited advice was in the second paragraph. :)

      1. @Avitable, exactly my point. Cut your losses and remember what life was like before you got pulled into one. Help your friend out of it, rather than helping her stay in it.

  41. Oh I see. So a bunch of trashy moms with computers do what every other lazy person does and tries to get something for free. They encourage their readers to repeat vote in ludicrous ways (actually trying to target people who work at servers and computer labs??) and think this is actually a legitimate way to win. Then they scream about some technicality in the rules and now think they all deserve iPads as ‘compensation’???

    Unbelievable how trashy and pathetic this group of ‘bloggers’ are.

      1. @Avitable,
        Good one.
        Sarcasm and snark should be taught in schools, because these two things can snag and hold an otherwise reasonable person’s attention. My eyes are crossing. I’ve been reading comments for an hour…um, okay, it’s been two hours…and I am now subscribing to your blog. It’s too bad because I seriously am not a fan of blogs and feel my time is too important to waste on such nonsense. Damn you, interesting title!
        As my husband is total gonzo for “picketing” companies, I will alert him to your cause. Too bad the internet came along and ruined things for stupid companies, but it sure has made it easier for the disgruntled to grunt. Back in the old days we would’ve had to form a caravan, drive, buy shoe polish to write statements of outrage on our car windows….thanks, internet.

  42. Unfortunately Ignite Social Media is one of the main culprits. I had a run in with them as they ran a contest for Verizon Small Business illast November. The rules were vague there as well. When I was notified I had won and I should expect my prize in 4-6 weeks, it took 9 weeks and numerous calls and emais to Verizon and Ignite before I got any sort of response. They blamed the fact that the gift cards were not being sent because American Express (who they purchased them from) was not working with them in distributing them to the winners. Reading up in them, is sees that Ignite has been a blight on sweepstakes and contests for many years and probably many more as ignorant companies continue to hire them.

  43. This was the most entertained I’ve been on the internet in a long time. This soap opera stream of comments was fantastic. I was confused reading the blogger’s post (everyone was named Kristin, Kristine, Christian…gave me a headache trying to keep the story straight), but then I got to the comment section and whoa! Solid gold.

  44. I don’t have time to wade through 270 comments (ya damn linkbaiter) but OMFG has anyone mentioned the gender thing yet? I just noticed that the “mommy bloggers” were in the running for a fucking minivan, but there was a separate contest for the “hip” car and only young guys (and the token female car blogger) are in the running for THAT vehicle. I wonder if those dudes had to beg for votes, or if they just had to see who could send in the most used condoms. Perhaps I just need to shove a BC packet in my crotch, but my lady bits are on fire over that wee bit of stereotyping.

  45. Are you guys in junior high? You all sound like a bunch of titty babies.
    Let’s throw this scenario out there….
    Whiney mommy #1 (WH1) got disqualified and rats out whiney mommy #2 (WH2). Conversation to sponsor of this whole fiasco would be something like this:
    WM1: “Hey, I noticed something fishy when I was going around my friend’s computer lab placing votes for my entry today. I placed my votes on computer 1, and by the time I moved 5 feet over to computer 2 and placed my votes, WH2’s vote count had increased by over 500. Thinking it was just a glitch, I checked again when I moved over to computer 15, and the vote tally for WM2 had increased by over 2,000. I’ve been watching the vote tally everyday as I make my way through the computers here inmy computer lab. Something’s just not right. I think WM2 is cheating.”

    WM2: “I took the EASY route. I don’t see why WM1 went to all that trouble shuffling between all those computers everyday. I just paid one person a reasonable price and they set up a bot to place votes for me. Easy peasy!”

    OK…seriously…if you all had to “bribe” people to vote dangling that chance at the iPad), your entry must not have been a worthy entry to begin with.

    Frankly, I’m dissapointed that Chrysler REWARDED everyone involved for a CLEAR VIOLATION of the rules they integrated for this contest. And I hope that the childish behavior on behalf of you entrants left a bad enough taste in Chrysler’s mouth that they will never hold another contest that they are too lazy to judge themselves on merit.

    1. @margarita_mama, I read some of the posts. Only a few were actually worth winning – the one by Kristin Ruiz was one of the worst-written pieces of prose I’ve ever read in my entire life.

  46. I have a problem with the fact that all of the contest participants are being given an iPad specifically noted in the contest rules to give to one of their readers, but Kristine was the only one who was truely offering it up. All of the others are only giving away $50 to $100 gift cards to a random reader. So for all of the voting/popularity they are soliciting, they are not rally paying their readers back. I think they should all be disqualified for not holding to the true purpose of the contest. Are they all really that greedy that they want the trip AND the iPad?

  47. I’m so disgusted at your post. First of all you have a very snooty tone and you call your readers idiots if they don’t agree with your asinine deductions. Your friend was CHEATING plain and simple. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out and I don’t need to read the rules. All it takes is a little morals and scruples to know this is WRONG and I fully support the decisions made by the pr company and Chrysler and in fact I believe I will use all that contact info you provided to COMMEND THEM for doing such a good job and I hope they continue to put a stop to cheaters.

      1. @Avitable,

        What difference would it make if I put “Amy” or not? You are very immature and I will not be coming back to this website ever. I got the contact info I need to commend the people who did the right thing in this case and the twitter handles, all that. Thanks for that! Have a loverly day!

  48. Seems to me that the bigger issue is the blogging culture that’s developed, where bloggers are seduced by the lure of money and free stuff, and are willing to sell their souls to corporations to get it. Is an iPad or a free trip to NY really worth giving up your integrity and your dignity? This whole ridiculous middle-school controversy is a sad commentary on our culture.

    1. @Kristin, Amen.

      It’s people getting crazy and acting worse than kids fighting over a toy. And everyone who tries to make the internet solely into a wisdom of the crowds marketplace, where popularity means more than substance or value, – well, it eventually goes to heck in a handbasket.

    2. @Kristin, I can’t blame people for being excited for a free tip to NYC for four people. That’s not something that people get to do regularly and sometimes it’s about being able to prove to your family that blogging does have its rewards.

  49. People suck. Companies suck worse.

    Drama, drama, drama.

    This is exactly one of the reason why I have kind of gotten out of the whole blogging game.

    Too much petty bullshit like this.

    The fact is, the company fucked up. Kristine, whom I love and secretly wish could have little blog babies with, also kind of (unknowingly) fucked up. Del over-reacted in defense of his wife and fucked up. Kristin got catty and fucked up.

    This whole this was a clusterfuck.

    Jim should fire Kristin/Christian. Ignite should fire Jim. Chrysler should fire Ignite. We should close Chrylser for defaulting on thier $1.8 Billion bailout loan. Del and Kristin should get divorced. Kristine should give away the iPad and punch a kitten. And maybe THEN, the universe will return to balance.

    If I never hear about this again, it will be too soon.

  50. First of all I had no idea they are now offering degrees in social media. I’m seriously sick to my stomach. Wow. Second of all, this is why I have chosen to only write content that has nothing to do with a sponsor or product. My blog is about my life, my passions, my love, my children. And the editorial and advertising will and always must remain separate. ALWAYS. However everyone does it differently. There are some blogs that seem to review products with integrity. My fav gals over at Cool Mom Picks come to mind. Now giveaways and things of that nature are even more tricky. I just can’t do it. But that’s me. It feels like buying readers. I may not have a big blog ( I really don’t have very many blog readers) but I don’t care. I have the stories I tell and the journaling of my life. I don’t have to worry about integrity. And I will know that I never sold my soul for a mop or an iPad or a pair of tshirts. Bravo to those who do it right, and shame on those who have ruined Mommyblogging and the term for the rest of us. I not so secretly wish we could scrap this whole review/giveaway blogging model and just have companies BUY ADVERTISING ON OUR SIDEBARS while we all got back to doing what we do- WRITING. Now if you will excuse me, I’m going to go write. You all are fucking crazy, thanks for making me feel like I feel down the Snooki hole here in blogland. I shall now go shower.

    p.s. what happened to blogging about an issue or a story or a – anything- and then disagreeing with another blogger on that issue or story or -anything-? At least then we were fighting about something, now we’re fighting OVER $$. Sigh. Big Fat SIGH.

  51. I don’t support blogger voting contests, so that is where the big fail comes in for me. The rest? Seems kind of absurd.

    How is it unclear what a “person” is? The clarification via email, which obviously doesn’t trump the legal rules, says to me that while each person can vote once, they need to each do it on a different computer. Your assertion that this wasn’t clear by the official rules is not a true statement. I find it patently clear. A person is a person (no matter how small). If there was any confusion between which rules to follow (note to people everywhere: legal rules trump email any day), bloggers should have asked again.

    Your friend blatantly cheated. She may have been confused, but it doesn’t change the fact that she broke not only the letter of the rules, but also went against the spirit of the contest. If we’re going to start complaining about fairness, let’s start with playing fair in these types of situations. The company was forced to react and they did. I say this to my 6-year-old all of the time, but if you do something wrong, it doesn’t matter if someone else did something wrong, too. Take responsibility for your own actions.

    I’m bummed that bloggers got caught up in this whole mess. And I hope that companies stop this voting nonsense, which provides no value whatsoever to their brand. That said, I think it’s being blown out of proportion. I suppose this makes me a moron in your eyes. I can live with that.

    1. @Christy, I don’t think you’re a moron. I think you’re wrong, but that’s different. :)

      The definition of a person is actually something that needs a legal definition in a contract, because it can mean many things – again, I’m talking in a purely legal sense, not in the dictionary sense. And yes, an email from an official representative of the company can legally modify the rules.

      Obviously, multiple contestants thought that one vote per computer was allowed if they also discussed it, so it wasn’t just my friend. And no, she did not blatantly cheat at all. Even if I agreed with your blanket statement of the official rules being clear, which I don’t, she didn’t vote from more than one computer. So how did she cheat?

      Like I said, you’re not a moron – I respect that you came here and provided your real information and gave an unpopular opinion, even if you’re completely, totally wrong about it. :)

      1. @Avitable, I know I’m not a moron. ;) I may have been wrong was in saying that she cheated when I should have said that she encouraged others to cheat on her behalf. Technically, she could be accused of bribery (cookies!), which then would fall back under the cheating thing (although, I thought it was clear that she was joking). But there is simply NO way that email by itself would ever hold up in court as having changed the legal rules. We’re notably missing the question is was answering, so it’s entirely out of context. I also think voting contests bring out the worst in people. They throw all ethics and good sportsmanship out the window. Anyway, I read Kristine’s final post about the whole thing and really appreciated her taking responsibility and apologizing. I have a lot of respect for that, especially given some of the nasty behavior that has been going on. And, as trite as this may sound, she’s also pretty lucky to have such a good friend stand up for her.

        1. @Christy, actually, if you have something in writing after a contract has been signed that modifies the contract, and the contract does not specifically say that it is the final document, it could be used in court to provide evidence of intent.

          In the end, it was just a giant clusterfuck, regardless, and nobody should ever have a voting contest like this, ever again! :)

  52. I just spent hours on your blog reading this post and the plagiarizing post… thank you and you’re welcome ;D

    I am not scrolling through 360 comments again to find what I am replying & agreeing too, but above there was a comment about how Kristin raised her pity-party filled tantrum when she didn’t get invited to the DisneySM conference, she shit talked up a storm, later she became a disney babies ambassador, she shit talked about the children’s place, and later was working with them. I agree that it’s what she does, it’s what THEY do, it’s WHO they are!!
    WHO are they?! no one really, just a pair of saggy boobs!!!
    They bitch at a company and show how they can raise hell negatively, so the company works with their family and get’s “positive” attention instead; if on the ruiz’s team.

    bunch of bull poop! Any company that cares about their brand, should thoroughly investigate the blogger they are considering… ESPECIALLY IF THAT PERSON/PERSONS are kristin and delfino ruiz, they should google our ordinary life and all the drama associated with it, and keep it moving!
    companies beware!!!

  53. I just gave myself motion sickness scrolling through allllllllllllllll the comments.

    Really though, what it comes down to is that it would’ve been easier to just steal an iPad 2. Oh sweet Jesus, now I’m going to get in trouble for encouraging theft from Apple. At least I didn’t say steal from Google, I’d get murdered in my sleep.

    Plus, Adam A., I’m mad that you quit the DrawSomething game you had with me. Dickdouche. Oh God! Now I’m attacking you!

    (dickdouche is a pretty good insult though, credit to my friend’s mom for accidentally inventing that one. I’d hate to make her find this on the intraweb in order to make sure her “branding” stays intact.)

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